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Thursday, June 24, 2010

The Silence of the Fake Left Jackoffobins


"Which brings us to Fox News. The right-wing demagogues at Fox do what demagogues have always done: they scare the living daylights out of people by identifying a hidden enemy, then flatter them until they believe they have only one champion—the demagogue himself. But unlike demagogues past, who appealed over the heads of individuals to the collective interests of a class, Fox and its wildly popular allies on talk radio and conservative websites have at their disposal technology that is perfectly adapted to a nation of cocksure individualists who want to be addressed and heard directly, without mediation, and without having to leave the comforts of home.

The media counterestablishment of the right gives them that. It offers an ersatz system of direct representation in which an increasingly segmented audience absorbs what it wants from its trusted sources, embellishes it in their own voices on blogs and websites and chatrooms, then hears their views echoed back as “news.” While this system doesn’t threaten our system of representative democracy, it certainly makes it harder for it to function well and regain the public’s trust.

The conservative media did not create the Tea Party movement and do not direct it; nobody does. But the movement’s rapid growth and popularity are unthinkable without the demagogues’ new ability to tell isolated individuals worried about their futures what they want to hear and put them in direct contact with one another, bypassing the parties and other mediating institutions our democracy depends on. When the new Jacobins turn on their televisions they do not tune in to the PBS News Hour or C-Span to hear economists and congressmen debate the effectiveness of financial regulations or health care reform. They look for shows that laud their common sense, then recite to them the libertarian credo that Fox emblazons on its home page nearly every day: YOU DECIDE."

Of course the author of this fine piece of sociology zeroes in on the "Tea Party Jacobins" and fails to mention that the "Fake Left Jackoffobins" make exactly same use of our preferred post modern media tools for precisely the same purpose: empty ego gratification and back patting affinity with like-minded individuals for purposes of group polarisation and the exclusion of all self-critical thought.

The fake left emit only from our silent keyboards, the proverbial mighty fallen trees crashing noiselessly in an empty cyberforest. Meantime, the counter-establishment right busily and loudly "taking back America" never need pause to notice: because there is nothing there.

14 comments:

socrates said...

The funny thing is donkeytale doesn't give examples of these "fake left jackoffobins." But if one goes to the comment section of the last DFQ2 entry, he sharpened his razor on myself and TLNL.

Why does donkeytale continue to post on the internet, if it's all merely trees falling in the forest?

Myself and TLNL have dedicated a good chunk of our blogging to exposing fake grassroots coming from the right. We've also taken good hits at the fake left.

Myself and TLNL are simply two dudes who did what we did and feel no shame over it. Donkeytale can say we or just myself is into thinking for such efforts, I believe I am all that and a bag of chips. He would be wrong.

Seriously, why is this person yapping away on his keyboard, if it's such a waste of time?

Maybe it keeps his mind off of having a relationship with a minor, something he believes is more than ok.

He speaks of the silence in real life from the fake left, of specifically those who spend their time on so-called internet activism. He has a good point. I agree that 99% of the fools who post on the internet thinking they're making a difference are deluded.

The problem is donkeytale has a reading comprehension problem. The article he links to speaks of how the mainstream propaganda outlets provide memes for the unwashed sheep who then spout them on the internet, and then those outlets go aha, look at the grassroots that are forming.

Donkeytale has turned into a one-trick whiner. Let me guess. Donkeytale doesn't do any real life activism himself. His hobby is to post negative thoughts against everyone who blogs. That's his schtick. Deep down he is a nietzschean nihilist who hypocritically champions himself as a buddhist.

Here's a prediction. If he responds to this post, he'll say something about my reading comprehension problems and some other sophistry intended to make me feel small. I think this guy should go back to Pffugee, MLW, and FSZ and get into his petty arguments with them. That is what he loves, to be nasty towards others. Why if blogging is such a waste of time does he persist? Why doesn't he just go away? Oh, probably because it's easier for an anonymous coward like himself to be nasty on the internet than it is to be so in real life. Here he can say things which if he did so off-line, he'd probably get smacked in the head or be looking at his third or fourth divorce.

donkeytale said...

Why do you keep speaking for TLNL as if you were him?

So I'm NAMBLA but Michael Jackson was a "beautiful, misunderstood man?"

You mean the self-mutilating freak who extolled the virtues of sharing his bed with young boys? The one who paid $25 million in hush money to make one of those little boys sign a non-disclosure statement regarding the lovely time he spent sharing the "beautiful, misunderstood man's" bed?

RIOTOUS!

Re-read the ansognosia story. You found it boring because you refuse to acknowledge yourself....which is the very definition of "anosognosia."

DOUBLE RIOTOUS!

Your love of Jackson explains this statement quite well:

"Myself and TLNL are simply two dudes who did what we did and feel no shame over it."

What did you two dudes do?

[:o0

Besides, who said you should be ashamed? Not I. I said you played the game well but were giving yourselves way too much credit for a meaningless activity against a nobody.

Lets see, mentioning shame while denying it, that means you feel shame. Keep it up, Socrates, very revealing of yourselves.

You provide all the examples anyone would ever need.

[projection alert]

socrates said...

I'm not TLNL and you insinuating we are means you're a rotten to the core, sadistic creep.

I don't speak for him. I sort of know him good at this point from blogging side by side with him the last years. Plus we have that shared history getting cybersmeared, something you appear to be piling on with in an attempt to make me feel bad.

To be honest, I'd rather you just go away.


As for Michael Jackson, a lot of people don't think he molested any boys, unlike yourself who admit that it happened to yourself and who through your own words believe men and boys should have the right to have sex. I'm not saying you believe in pedophilia. You do believe however that statutary rape should be legalised as long as the minor can be established to be of a certain maturity and a willing participant. That makes you a scumbag. There's a big difference between sleeping in the same bed with someone than with having illegal sexual relations with them. I'm only ashamed that I didn't start avoiding you once I found out those writings you made at MLW. I won't ban or censor you, though if you keep up with the sock puppet insinuations, I might do that. One rule that I'm sure is a bit subjective is the idea of troll spam. But it does exist.

You're not worthy of my friendship or dialogue. I don't need to hear from a middle of the road or left of center Democrat that I'm a fake lefty. I'm done with your mind games. Please go away. I'd rather this blog be free of your toxic presence.

donkeytale said...

This could be a learning moment for us, but alas, Socrates, I can see that you are not open to learning, caught as you are in a continual loop of narcissistic redundancy.

My initial criticism of TLNL and yourself focused on the smallfry nature of your "online activism".

Your response was typical of you, to immediately go into full frontal attack mode, regurgitating (for at least the fourth time) from some supposedly horrible comments I made in a thread from MLW and claiming that it proves that I endorse sex with minours, that I want to have sex with minours, etc.

This of course is untrue and taken out of context in the worse possible way, to smear me.

Instead you could have easily chosen another path in the conversation, as I stated that what you guys were doing wasnt so bad, it was similar to stuff I too have done online, it just well, it just isnt meaningful. You could actually have stayed on topic, which was my mild criticism and opinion regarding the Michael Rivero schtick, that he is a nobody and what you are accomplishing, same as me vis a vis Fairleft and others whom I have discredited in online forums, is akin to a video game competition, fun, stimulating even, but in the end not meaningful.

I pointed this out, and I included myself in the same category.

You responded defensively, outlandishly (as always by going on the attack against personality and past evidence of online "immorality")and even let slip that you felt no shame, when I didnt in any way shape of form suggest or insinuate that you have acted shamefully. I think I also read on TLNL's blog that you admitted to be a failure.

So what I take from these revealing comments (and one must read you closely because you offer nothing n the way of self-conscience) is that you feel shame for being a failure.

Thats actually a good feeling. I also feel shamed my many failures in life, which surely dwarf yours and TLNL's combined multipled by pi squared, and like you, I have in the past reacted against feeling my shame by lashing out outrageously at others in the most shameful manner (like you suggesting that I want to have sex with minours based on comments that were nothing of the sort).

This tended only to deepen my shame and my sense of failure.

I changed my "Jackoffobins" dairy to include myself in this cohort of online nobodies targeting other nobodies for nothing to gain against the PTB.

Its a true shame that you are unable to learn, Scorates.

That you continue to chase people away from your blog simply because they offer criticism or differing opinions.

You have a great deal of insight and intelligence, altho neither has been on display lately, likely as a consequence of your continuing need to circle the wagons against self-recognition and then lashing out at anybody who tries to penetrate that circle with anything other than fake ass kissing.

The true shame is not failure, it is the continuing need to defend past failures by dressing them up as successes and never learning a single lesson.

Anosognia.

Yes, I have it too. The point of the series of articles, which you termed "boring" (of course) is that the author offered extreme and ridiculous examples to illustrate that we all suffer from anosognia to one degree or other, and that it is likely that self-delusion is a necessary element for human existence.

You can keep attacking me dude if thats what you need to maintain your denial and self delusion.

Sadly, you have proven not to be a social theorist or an intellectual. You have proven to be an empty narcissist fighting tooth and nail to maintain your narcissism even in th eface of your admission to be ashamed for being a failure.

socrates said...

Hey creep, TLNL wrote on a forum that he was having some suicidal thoughts. He also said he wasn't one to go through with it, but it was disturbing to read nonetheless.

I've emailed him. His latest entry at his own blog is a famous picture of a pipe drawn by some fancy schmancy artist with a phrase meaning this is not a pipe. The tag TLNL used was The End. Maybe he absorbed your critique and was saying his blog wasn't really a blog. That's conjecture on my part. But he did use the tag of The End.

This is a small blog. I don't need you to continue. In fact, I'll repeat again that I hope you leave. An analogy to this situation would be of a woman who sticks it out with an abusive husband. I refuse to listen to your crap. In fact, the troll spam rule is in full effect. I'll try to avoid using it. I've already had to get rid of anonymous postings because of your selfish use of the spam caption words for your username. I refuse to let you spam too much more. I don't like you or your antagonistic posting patterns. You're a pretty good guy for the most part, but eventually you become very mean-spirited.

If anything happens to TLNL, I'm not saying it's your fault. But you might certainly have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

People like myself and TLNL put in a lot of time and effort doing the best we could as bloggers. TLNL made over 10,000 posts at the original WRH Unofficial forum. It wasn't the one I linked to screenshots of before where the cybersmear script was going on. First the guy running it named Trausti made it hidden, because Rivero was complaining about TLNL. Recently the thing has completely disappeared. I've seen you and others complain, myself included of white walling. It's not cool. TLNL has had it worse than anyone on the planet. 10,000 posts.

If you can't interact with the content we have provided, then you should just stfu. This is the same thing you did to Dave. You hammered him for wasting his time, but you championed his right to waste that time.

What part of I think you're a creep and want to break off these interactions don't you understand? Maybe if you had dealt with some of the content provided by "time wasters" like myself and TLNL, your putdowns would have more validity. Here's a suggestion. Go to your own blog. Or return to soapblox. Just please go away. I neither respect nor care anymore about you.

socrates said...

Hey dumbass, I didn't say I was a failure as a blogger. I haven't been. I have failed in my inability to develop power and make a difference in real life in regards to being an activist. Maybe I smoked too much weed in college. Maybe I reacted the wrong way when I got my heart broken. But I never said I was a failure as a blogger. Now shoo maggot.

socrates said...

It makes perfect sense why donkeytale thinks I circle the wagons and drive people off. He was defending a notorious troll who wouldn't leave this blog and others. I have done some going on enemy turf before, but I don't persist. Donkeytale thinks everyone should be able to post on individual blogs. I don't. A former moderator I had, one by the way I do not like, said something very profound once. We have the right to not listen. I have a bunch of friends who'd be into blogging with me, but it's not their cup of tea. I've made some solid friends through the internet. I may not have met them in person, but I have emailed with and gotten to know them. Also, there have been many people who have dropped by here in past threads to thank me for my blogging. Stuff with actual content. This friendship is over, Donkeytale. Seriously, go away. I'm not going to fall for your lame act ever again. You are the essence of passive aggressive.

the_last_name_left said...

I said you played the game well but were giving yourselves way too much credit for a meaningless activity against a nobody.

How have I given myself "way too much credit" for this Rivero stuff - or anything I have ever done?

I'd like to see it. What do you mean?

My own conception is that almost nobody takes it seriously. Granted, I think that's complacent, but I don't delude myself imagining many others take it seriously. Nor do I think I've performed any great social good, nor do I claim to have broken new intellectual ground etc. But what I have done is out there - it's something. It exists. A rebuttal to Rivero, and all of his ilk exists when it didn't before. The evidence of the fascism underlying Rivero and his ilk's spiel now exists - and it didn't before. I make no great claims for it - but it does exist - and that's something. It's a tiny piece of something much bigger. That's what I always hope for - and I can only do a little. I don't delude myself into thinking I could ever do much more than a little. I'm no Marx, and Das Kapital it ain't, but my blog does what I'd intended it to do.....in a way that isn't being done elsewhere. If there's a better rebuttal of Rivero and co elsewhere, I'd like to see it. If there's a better argument made of the fascism around Rivero, 911 Troof, the patriot movement etc - where is it? I don't claim this as any great achievement - but it is what it is - it exists and it never did before. You think it's worthless.....fair enough.

I think the content of what I have been doing and trying to say is very important - but I don't think I am very important nor do I imagine my contribution to be. Ideas and facts are important - me, not so much.

It's a bit irritating to read criticism based around a perception that I am so almighty proud of my "work"......that I big it up.....that I "give myself way too much credit". Fow what? How? When? Examples?

I just don't see how you have perception that at all. And without some evidence for it.....I don't see why I should listen to it.

Of course, I wouldn't ever have bothered if I thought it was worthless. But that's a long way short of "giving yourself way too much credit".

a meaningless activity against a nobody.

I think that completely misses the point. It isn't meaningless and Rivero represents a far larger constituency than "nobody".

socrates said...

Donkeytale appears to have a few marbles missing from a complete set. He also doesn't seem to check back on new posts such as yours made on older entries. How convenient.

I'm not sure if he is a deliberate troll or what is really going on here.

I actually can't stomach interacting with him at this point. It seems unfair. It seems like a petty game. I mean, he actually started this whole new page called fake left jackoffobins. If one looks at the sequence of posts before this, it's clear this was an attack on ourselves.


I think he is probably a begrudger. He is down in some kind of insecure pit, and he will try to shake down anyone who feels good about what they have blogged.

I think it's not just about Rivero, but that he is kind of a binding glue that links up many other internet fakes. You have done an excellent job linking him to Alex Jones, Curtis Maynard, Desertpeace, and many others. I done good with adding to that, e.g. the Tinoire, Jeff Wells, and Agent99-BradBlog people.

Why shouldn't we feel good about what we did? There's a big difference between excessive hubris and dignity. I don't think either one of us could be classified as having big egos for our blogging or think it's been worthy of a Pulitzer or whatever. But I see no reason like you said why any of us who have tried to do the right thing listen to putdowns like this. If you notice, donkeytale rarely deals with any actual content. Maybe the ad hominem attacks are his excuse to not look into any of the finds. But if that is the case, he shouldn't say anything at all. Constructive criticism is one thing. Trying to make others feel bad about how they've spent their time is quite another. Especially as you have pointed out, he hasn't touched on even a speck of it. He is reminding me of Larry camping out here. This reminds me of the hostile environments at DU and DKos where it is a sport to be anti-social and sadistic towards others.

I checked out your new forum. Maybe donkeytale should go there. He'd have plenty of more worthy targets for ridicule. He loves the mayhem that comes about, the verbal sparring. One dude has a swastika as his avatar. A few of them continue to describe Israelis as Nazis.

And you're quite astute to point out that Rivero, Jones, Maynard, Rense, and others represent much more than their nobodiness. It's the same with humble people like you and me. We represent thousands if not more of people who became disgusted by a specific chunk of the internet zeitgeist.

The irony is that while DT insinuates we are fake lefties, both of us are obviously more to the left than he has ever been. He mocks me for being against the Military Industrial Complex. He mocks me as being a "socialist peacnikkk" not to mention a "sock rat." Now that I've mentioned that, I don't understand why he keeps calling me that when I've told him I don't appreciate it. It's like how he keeps posting with the spam filter words, even though he knows I don't want him to. If those aren't signs of sadism, I don't know what are. There's a very odd dynamic that has emerged at DFQ2. It's been brought on by donkeytale and no one else.

the_last_name_left said...

That other forum isn't mine btw - I was asked to help set it up.....so I wrote a post explaining that. I don't think I'll be posting there any more.....I can't see any point. I can't believe the antisemitism there....nor the inability to recognise it. Astonishing that people there whom have read my posts for 8 years dismiss every position I've taken .... over this one issue of Israel and attendant anti-semitism.

Suddenly the Israeli Defence Force are "mine"......after 8 years of anti-war agitation!

My concern for exploited kids suddenly reveals a wish for Palestinians kids to "disappear"......apparently. Nevermind 8 years of comments to the contrary. What a joke.

Things like that seem a betrayal - of me, and what I stand for. What I thought others stood for. I take a perfectly reasonable position, but one in opposition to the prevailing mood, and suddenly I'm a monster. Bizarre.

socrates said...

I'm glad to hear you might stop posting at it. I was going to offer you help on how to embed videos, things like that, but maybe now it's a moot idea.

I think the most interesting aspect of that forum and the Trausti one that preceded it is how you've been strung along, and how it appears Trausti was truly the one who betrayed you most. I'm amazed at how you've remained loyal to him. I don't think he deserves anything from you. Didn't he make his previous forum hidden specifically because of the inane complaints of one Michael Rivero? I see he has a copied archive of it, and I guess that means you might be able to retrieve your postings. But the context will be lost. It's simply unfair of him to have gone that route. If I were you, I would be angry at him.


Those people aren't worth your time. They have betrayed you. They are so fixated on hating Israel, they fail to make any concessions ever. I saw you make attempts to clarify. They do not.


You are the ultimate victim of Trausti. You were the only one it seems to me who put in solid time into your research and writing. The others remind me of any other dumbass who posts at Rivero's, Prison Planet, BradBlog, Tinoire's, or any other similar dive.

I sincerely believe you made a major contribution to the cybersphere and should hold your chin up. I hope you haven't quit The Last Blog Left. You're always more than welcomed to post here.


On a side note, it was a hot muggy 95 degrees. Sorry I'm not sure what that comes to in celsius. We then got a thunderstorm. It seemed things were going to cool off. But it's still brutal. I hate it when that happens. Come on Mr. God. I need some relief.



p.s. I'd be honoured if you considered blogging here. Anything you want. I have your email address from Aircraft Wings but am not sure if it's the same one you use for blogger. Bob should hopefully be adding material soon. I guess I am used to donkeytale, and I doubt I'll grant him his wish of being banned. My hope is eventually this place grows so I become just a small part of it.

There's a need for a decent blog for all us outsiders to feel comfortable. If you recall, a year or two ago we spoke of perhaps joining forces. I'd even consider giving you admin powers here and a big say on how the place should be moderated. I do not want to be a Captain Queeg or isolate myself. I don't want to quit blogging. I just want to decrease the amount of time I spend on the net writing. I am thinking quality over quantity. Getting more people in here would help me achieve that. If DFQ2 fades away, I'll live with it. But I don't like to quit. Guys like us have deserved a better internet fate. It would be a shame to give up now when it seems we are close to breaking through.

socrates said...

TLNL, you put The End as the tag for your latest blog entry. Does that mean you are quitting The Last Blog Left? It's ok to change your mind. Though if you've had enough, I'll respect that decision.

the_last_name_left said...

quit? I dunno. I find TLNL a bit of a burden. Like some character I created that took a life of its own.

You know I am desperately hated under that moniker in places.....and the personal stuff associated to my moniker makes it especially uncomfortable. It's also a bit suffocating: take Trausti as an example of my loyalty - compare your comments about it to mine? Trausti's a good sort, really, I think - he just has some odd ideas about a few things, and allows his rage to get the better of his reason. But the response at that forum to the flotilla thing, and to my position on it is hugely disappointing, though entirely expected. It's exactly what I would have expected. Even after 8 years of posting amongst such people, it's clearly made no difference......indeed, there's a sharp turn for the worse, if anything.

Which is why I can't understand DonkeyTale's suggestion I make too much of what I've been doing. Seems weird to see that criticism when I'm disappointed what I've been saying for 5 years apparently makes no difference.

I was reluctant to go with that forum in the first place.....because of the issues over antisemitism. It seemed a shame to close the doors on it all.....and maybe the issues wouldn't arise in the same way, so I thought "why not?"

I don't mind disagreement - I enjoy it. But the tone.....and attitude?? No thanks. Christ - I don't agree, for very good reasons, and suddenly the IDF are "mine".....and I want to see Palestinian kids "disappear" etc. Shocking. Compare that to my loyalty?

Anyway, I appreciate the concern - but there's no need for it, honestly.

socrates said...

I'm glad that you're not quitting. Changing your username is an ok thing to do. If you think about it, there's probably not much more you could add to your blog. I remember it as being devoted to exposing Rivero when it started. Then you branched off on Jones a bit. Then I think you posted about cars or some game, I don't remember, then I showed up. You covered the troofers as you call them. I thank you for getting me to give up on 911 truth. It's a joke. I'm still not sure what was up with that. There are a lot of troubling nuggets. But there's no proof that it was an inside job, as in a secret part of the US government. Someone did do it. I totally agree with you on how the so-called Patriot movement hijacked the thing. I don't think they created it. I'm pretty sure 911 truth per se as conspiracy theory formed before all that. The Joos did it is some crazy nonsense. I might suggest CIA and Mossad help, a sinister faction of those. I don't like those groups in general, but I doubt if they were involved as in much more than a small amount of them. It's crazy to think otherwise.

Maybe it's similar to Aircraft Wings. There's only so much to blog about on a specialty topic.

Donkeytale showed his cards with this entry. He made his comments in the one before. Then he obviously set this one up to attack both of us. If this wasn't a blatant ad hominem attack on our individual blogging and working together at times, then this has been the mother of all coincidences.

I don't expect you to blast Trausti. I was just speaking for myself.

Look, this place could turn out pretty good, and I promise I'm not a dictator about it. If you get a new name with blogger, you can give me the email address at Aircraft Wings, and I'll give you the invite. That would give this place four bloggers, if donkeytale hasn't quit.


I also suspect at some point more people will want to blog here. It's a hunch.


Donkeytale and those neonazi sympathisers at that forum are just being themselves. They can't help it. Without paystubs, I have to assume Trausti and those others are regular guys. I think donkeytale is a regular guy, though at times he can be very mean-spirited. I used to be like that a lot. Now I'm just like that rarely. If someone's messing with me, I am prone to lashing back.

He wants to keep calling me sock rat, he's really forcing my hand. Those words he wrote also about sex between adults and minors was also quite disturbing. He goes too far sometimes. None of us are really anonymous. Philosophically speaking, a name is just like any word. It's like your this is not a pipe screenshot. You can change your name, but you're still the same dude.