tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post2115298828454721198..comments2023-08-04T00:31:05.621-04:00Comments on DFQ2: Real Person Apparently Victimised by "Jeff Wells" and Dr. Lowell Routley of IowaTokyo Shemphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01764134901412321022noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-76878449160175168972015-10-06T21:34:09.669-04:002015-10-06T21:34:09.669-04:00Yes, I'm beginning to come around to the same ...Yes, I'm beginning to come around to the same "the Internet sucks" conclusion.Jerky LeBoeufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06022293362312800819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-41745716206856291402015-03-07T03:17:01.128-05:002015-03-07T03:17:01.128-05:00I've known Lynn for many years. I cannot comm...I've known Lynn for many years. I cannot comment on Dr Routley or Jeff Wells. I can't claim to know whether or not her abuse was tied to MKULTRA or any other semi-sanctioned program. I do believe that her description of her experience is accurate, regardless of whether or not her abusers constituted a quasi-governmental program, or just a cult that had some roots with military/government individuals.GFShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443288221169888133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-84555863358255189672010-11-27T21:06:06.933-05:002010-11-27T21:06:06.933-05:00Ha, Doug Mesner is a "journalist," and J...Ha, Doug Mesner is a "journalist," and Jeff Wells is the real journalist? Thanks for the laugh.<br /><br />The satanic panic needs no help in being discredited. Myself and Doug are just two of many people who became aware of the hogwash and applied our individual schticks to it. <br /><br />As for anything here concerning the individual who posts at Wells' website, all of it is from public domain sources with info she willingly provided.<br /><br />And you forgot to describe the documentation as being of alleged crimes. Doug reported how the mind control conference speakers love to use the word allege in reference to the so-called mk-ultra and sra crimes they claim they were victims of. MK-Ultra was real. The crap generated from your crowd is ludicrous and clearly unproven.Tokyo Shemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01764134901412321022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-85735416404211779602010-11-27T19:44:16.178-05:002010-11-27T19:44:16.178-05:00Socrates and "journalist" Doug Mesmer se...Socrates and "journalist" Doug Mesmer seem to have made it their personal mission to attempt to discredit information provided to the public by real journalist Jeff Wells, outspoken MK survivors, and others who choose to educate the public about documented atrocities and human rights violations that have been committed against tens of thousands of US and Canadian citizens over the past 50 years. In this blog, they included private Emails posted by Lynn Schirmer without her permission or authorization. How low can you go, guys? Never mind, I don't think I care to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-45413062315587714522010-03-24T01:21:31.960-04:002010-03-24T01:21:31.960-04:00So you see nothing fishy about Kathleen Sullivan&#...So you see nothing fishy about Kathleen Sullivan's or Brice Taylor's stories? What's your best proof that a covert part of our government is running a satanic, mind control, pedophile program? Have you ever played devil's advocate with any of your beliefs (no pun intended)?Tokyo Shemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01764134901412321022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-26058091592836375992010-03-24T00:28:43.824-04:002010-03-24T00:28:43.824-04:00You have no evidence anyone is delusional or that ...You have no evidence anyone is delusional or that they suffer from schizophrenia. You have no evidence anyone is being victimized at all or being led the wrong way. All of this is just your opinion without evidence.Rachellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-47509440179133439632010-03-23T14:25:18.182-04:002010-03-23T14:25:18.182-04:00You have nothing, Rachelle, and you know it. You m...You have nothing, Rachelle, and you know it. You might as well debate the world is flat.Tokyo Shemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01764134901412321022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-47614533533581645972010-03-22T23:38:45.209-04:002010-03-22T23:38:45.209-04:00There is no evidence that any of the survivors men...There is no evidence that any of the survivors mentioned above are suffering from "delusions" and there are no "supportive environments" for the victims of these crimes. There is no evidence that any of these victims "suffer" from schizophrenia, nor is anyone being "victimized." All of the statements above claiming this are unproven myths. <br /><br />Professionals in the field are helping the survivors of these crimes. There is strong evidence these crimes have occurred and may still be occurring.Rachellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-82175679385642884602010-02-07T18:02:22.207-05:002010-02-07T18:02:22.207-05:00Thanks for the great post.
I felt a bit reluctant...Thanks for the great post.<br /><br />I felt a bit reluctant to write about Project Willow. However, she did out herself, unlike what happened to me (Hello Brad Friedman).<br /> <br />Also, maybe if she can be influenced to believe she was an MKUltra SRA victim, she can be shown the possibility that it isn't true.<br /><br />The real villians are those Phd. therapists, imho, the Routleys and Hammonds. <br /> <br />I think Theresa's story was more about a perfect storm. She mentioned the satire and gobbledygook aspects. But then throw in the chronic weed (very strong weed can be a problem), her career stalling, the fact that Beck did say he'd do her movie, add in some Wells, maybe some booze, and the fact that Scientology is a sick cult, that's her story, imho.<br /> <br />Project Willow and others like Neil Brick are being victimised twice. They appear to have been victims of pedophilia leading to schizophrenia. Then throw in those Phds and internet chatter, and their lives are definitely on the wrong course.<br /><br /><br />I agree with you that many of the posters at RI are probably faking their stories. Reporters should jump all over this one. It's a ready made scoop.<br /><br />I notice like yourself that people get banned for making too much sense. TheeKultLeeder was making good posts. I hope I didn't miss him writing anything crazy. It becomes common knowledge they will ban rational thinkers, thus few even bother anymore. There are certain sites I'd never post at, e.g. Above Top Secret or that crazy Sign of the Times one. Probably most people in a position to set that place straight would never sign up.<br /> <br />I notice also a funny disposition between certain RI posters with Rick Ross. They seem to diss him here and there, because his place doesn't allow their kind of nonsense. But I also think they try to not wake him or others up there that RI is precisely the kind of phenomenon that deserves a place in their Hall of Shame. They've a section called undue influence or something. If I write a thread for them on this topic, that's where I'll put it.<br /> <br />Though I'll add there are certain things about it all that leave me confused, such as with Aquino and Gunderson, or say with the Jimmy Hughes story, Riconosciuto, News Making News, etc.. There does seem to be much to figure out, though RI is clearly not the place to do it at. Yes, anyone who makes too much sense will be banned. And real people like Debbie Nathan or Rick Ross won't be posting there anytime soon either.Tokyo Shemphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01764134901412321022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4111653955715349434.post-36858087070935997742010-02-07T12:22:39.348-05:002010-02-07T12:22:39.348-05:00Yes, I agree with this also. Encouraging mentally ...Yes, I agree with this also. Encouraging mentally ill persons to indulge their delusions, rather than confront them, re-victimizes them. Very good observation!<br /><br />Rigorous Intuition forums have become one of the principle "refuges" for persons claiming to have been victimized through unverifiable, nonsensical MK-Ultra, SRA, and related "abuse conspiracies". It is impossible to say how many of those persons are truly delusional and really believe their fantastical life histories, and how many might be simply play-acting a "survivor" personality/identity. <br /><br />In both cases, however, these persons require a "supportive" environment within which they can babble their BS and be rewarded with sympathy and kudos for their "heroic" personal struggling (whether real or imaginary)& evangelism of the whole mind-control abuse conspiracy belief system. They require an environment wherein no one will be allowed to probe too deeply into the details of their concocted life history, lest they be exposed to questions they cannot provide factual answers for.<br /><br />Rigorous Intuition is a bizarre example of such an environment. A person alleging that they were victimized by a satanic cult or CIA mind-control operation will be permitted to post the most outrageous slanders about anyone - living or dead - especially about political figures or celebrities. But, persons who attempt to expose "holes", falsehoods or logical fallacies in a victim claimant's stories will be BANNED.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12503571778897116344noreply@blogger.com