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Friday, April 2, 2010

Does Alex Jones Suffer From Hal Turneritis?

(***UPDATE*** Larry the conspiracy theorist doesn't think Alex Jones incites violence, despite the growing number of wingnuts who followed Jones' websites going over the edge into law breaking. I will say that Jones may not cross the line, but he clearly does rile up emotions and make it seem that the time for violence is now. An anonymous linked to a very interesting minute of Jones being interviewed while driving. Technically Alex Jones may not be breaking any laws, but imho, he is clearly sparking violent tendencies in unhinged fans of his. According to Jones we are under attack. According to Jones, he is ready to spill some blood. But he won't be the one doing so. It'll be the people who believe the nonsense he spews.



***END OF UPDATE***)

The good news is that US Intelligence is pretty much admitting the threat of domestic terrorism is coming mostly from wingnuts and not the left. The bad news is some fake lefties have used such an obvious and basic truth as justification for silencing authentic progressives and peaceniks on their bluedog, democratic domains. It's the garbage astroturf that socialism (social justice) and peace are dirty words. An anonymous recently posted that this shows the handwriting is on the wall. The US economy is crumbling. The cycle of US hegemony has long since passed its peak. What goes up must come down. Internet fakery is a symptom. It's a last ditch attempt to prop up fake grassroot support for war and inequality. Let's get on with the show.

Shock jock Hal Turner takes witness stand

FILE PHOTO
Hal Turner accused the FBI of urging him to make violent statements as a
way of infiltrating extremist right-wing groups.


I can read minds. Is that Hal Turner's daughter in the background? If so, she's thinking, "Why is my Daddy a wingnut?"

The answer sweetie, in short, is that Hal Turner was being paid by the FBI to "flush out the crazies." Your daddy was acting! Sure, he's always been a far right wing kookster. He's been buddies for many years with Sean Hannity of Fox News. He was merely acting as a complete Nazi in order to encourage violent nutjobs to step forward. Daddy messed up by inciting violence against specific individuals. You can't do that. Free speech is only protected so far. Daddy not so bright.

Now why would anyone think Hal Turner is some anomaly, rather than just one of many performing the paid task of "flushing out crazies?" I think he was just stupid enough to expose the program. When he was predictably arrested, he sung like a stool pigeon are prone to do when busted. I have no paystub to prove it, but I believe Alex Jones has been on the same payroll as Hal. To Alex's credit, he has been smart enough to not cross the line Turner did. Yet, his act has had many similarities to Hal's.


(I'm adding in another Alex Jones video. The original link was scrubbed.)




Plenty o'evidence is starting to pile up, that Alex Jones has a knack for flushing out right wing nutjobs.

Feds Investigate Death Threats to IRS Employees After Health Bill Approval by Jana Winter (excerpt)
Hundreds of comments were posted in response to an incendiary story on infowars.com, the radical far-right Web site owned by radio host Alex Jones. The story, entitled, "The Cost Of Defying Obamacare: $2,250 a Month And IRS Goons Pointing Guns At Your Family," focused on the “increasing militarization of the IRS” and its expansion of powers under the new health care law.

One commenter wrote: "If they actually try to do this, there is going to be a whole lot of thugs start vanishing. This is the last line in the sand. Those fools have just signed their death warrants!!!"

"theres gonna be alot of IRS agents needing healthcare if they try to terrorize us Americans," another comment read. Yet another wrote, "Come and take them…….they will have to hire so many IRS agents because…well when 10 a day get killed….you do the math." ...
A man from Roanoke, Virginia has learned the hard way that not all free speech is protected. He made online death threats against a couple policemen on Jones' forum. It's one thing to be critical of corrupt bacon products who turn their profession into one to be mocked. It's quite another for a crazy to break the law by posting violent threats.

Roanoke man charged with making online threats by Laurence Hammack (excerpt)
A Roanoke man faces charges of making online threats against two police officers -- one in Oakland, Calif., and one in Martinsville -- after reading newspaper accounts of incidents in which they used deadly force.

Jeffrey L. Weaver, 47, made the threatening comments in January on a news Web site called infowars.com, according to a complaint filed earlier this week in U.S. District Court in Roanoke.

Weaver, who was ordered held without bond Friday, logged onto the site using the name "F---ThePIGS," the complaint states.

After reading a newspaper article on infowars.com that described how a 17-year-old boy died after being shocked with a Taser by a Martinsville police officer in January, Weaver wrote: "this makes my blood boil."

"Maybe I should drive to Martinsville with my 9mm Glock and some Teflon coated armor-piercing Black Rhino hollow point rounds and do the world a favor by ridding the world of this piece of s--- pig," the message read....
*** We now interrupt this blog entry for a newsflash from the DFQ2 Newsdesk. I'm listening to the radio. The DJ just said Colleen LaRose, aka Jihad Jane, has just been extradited from Ireland to the US. This has not been confirmed as yet. I thought I'd mention this, because she is yet another example of how the shit has been hitting the fan in regards to crazies being flushed out through the internet. One question I'm starting to wonder is whether such people would have ever become potential terrorists if not for Operation Crazy Flush (I just made up that phrase, so put the googler down). We now return to regularly scheduled blogging. p:> ***

Domestic terrorism clearly appears to be on the uprise. Virginia FBI have been quite busy of late. Tea Party leaders from that state blipped on the FBI radar, after one of them posted what he thought was Rep. Tom Perriello's home address. The TeaNuts were upset with Perriello's speech made in favour of the health care reform bill. The result was his brother Bo's gas line was severed. The FBI is now scouring online posts for signs of who has been behind that and apparently other violent attempts made at Bo's home.

Here's an excerpt from the above linked to article written by Virginia McCabe.
Threats and acts of violence have increased against Democrats in the days before and after the signing of the Health Care Reform bill by President Barack Obama. However one Republican congressman has now reported a violent act at his office.

On Thurs. Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va) reported that shots had been fired outside of his Virginia campaign office.

The Daily Progress reported the incident was immediately reported.

“We do know that there were shots fired earlier this week,” said Megan Whittemore, Cantor’s deputy press secretary. The shots were fired late Monday or early Tuesday, she said.

The gunfire triggered the office’s alarm and an incident report was filed immediately. Richmond police are investigating.

“There is an ongoing investigation,” Whittemore said.

Around the country dozens of Democratic headquarters have been the subject of vandalism and threats against elected officials have increased, according to the FBI. However, Virginia and Tea Party members are currently the on the front burner of law enforcement.

Virginia Tea Party Leader Nigel Coleman has been on the radar of the state police, FBI and Secret Service, according to a complaint letter he wrote to the Attorney General in Virginia in July 2009. Coleman is one of the men who posted the address of Perriello online.

Coleman complained that he was being followed by the Secret Service, state police and the FBI during a Tea Party protest of Perriello last summer. Coleman stated that his rights are being abridged by state police.

On Wednesday Supervisory Special Agent MH Myers of Virginia confirmed the investigation into the severed gas line at the Perriello home. He did not speak about Coleman in relation to the Perriello incident.

"We are confirming that we are aware that some threats were made against the congressman perhaps related to an internet posting. We did respond to the congressman brother’s house (Tuesday) in relation to that incident," Myers said....
Threats against Congressmen and women made around the time of the historic vote on health care reform have not been limited to Virginia. The FBI has been investigating more than ten threats made against Democratic House members.

Hmmm. Fox News has been doing a good job lately reporting on right wingnuts. Perhaps they are taking a page out of the DLC handbook to portray some lefties as fringe, in order to astroturf that they aren't a part of that. Are Republicans plotting their own form of triangulation? But I digress.

We'll wrap this up by going back to a bit on Alex Jones, on how some of his readers have gone the domestic terrorist route. We'll then take a quick look at some fake lefties posting in the same incendiary fashion to be found by TeaNuts. We'll then conclude with the developing story of Chachi Arcola being pestered by crazies.


At this point, most of us have heard of Richard Poplawski, the crazy who murdered three policemen last year. It turns out he was influenced by the rantings of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.

Richard Poplawski: Influenced By Fox News Host Glenn Beck And Right-Wing Radio??

According to Max Blumenthal, the answer is yes.
Did Paranoid Right-Wing Media Fuel the Pittsburgh Cop Killer’s Rage? (excerpt)

By Max Blumenthal, The Daily Beast. Posted April 8, 2009.

Richard Poplawski, the man who allegedly murdered three Pittsburgh cops, was clearly influenced by Fox News’s Glenn Beck and right-wing radio.


On April 6, two days after the 22-year-old Richard Poplawski allegedly murdered three police officers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, a radio host named Alex Jones settled in before a microphone in his studio in Austin, Texas to do some damage control. “The mainstream media has certainly enjoyed tying me into this story,” Jones complained. “They’re attacking me and saying I’m delusional and there’s no New World Order The Second Amendment, what the country’s founded on–it’s all my fault!”

Poplawski was a neo-Nazi wannabe who railed against blacks, Jews, “Zionists,” and gun control. And like many members of the far-right fringe, he allegedly visited Jones’ Web sites and posted alarming reports by Jones’ writers on the white supremacist message board, Stormfront. (Poplawski’s posts are here, authored under the handle, “Braced For Fate.”) While Alex Jones generally avoids overt racism, he has found an eager audience on Stormfront by conjuring dark visions of an impending New World Order, claiming FEMA is secretly building a national concentration camp network, and announcing that President Barack Obama has planned mass gun seizures on his way to establishing a leftist dictatorship. “Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens,” warned a March 13 commentary on Jones’ website, Prison Planet.

In the wake of Poplawski’s alleged murder spree, the killer’s friends and family members painted a portrait of a paranoid young man whose worldview was informed almost totally by the kind of conspiratorial themes entertained by Jones. Poplawski’s best friend, Edward Perkovic, who also spouted white supremacist rhetoric, told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review that his friend “grew angry recently over fears Obama would outlaw guns.” Poplawski’s mother remarked to police investigators that her son targeted cops “because he believed that as a result of economic collapse, the police were no longer able to protect society.” ...
The Holocaust Museum shooter James Von Brunn posted on Alex Jones' forum. Is Alex Jones on the same FBI payroll that Turner used to receive paystubs from? Let's just say it shouldn't surprise anyone if true.


Some fake lefties join the circus

There is a disgusting fake lefty website called pffugeecamp.com. I'm not saying it's run by paid fakes. Though yet again, it wouldn't surprise me if it is. These people are big time supporters of the Holocaust denying President of Iran. Their #1 blogger, well-known as Fakeleft or Failreft, has claimed that Richard Nixon was the last liberal American President. He has called for surveillance cameras in urban areas. Along with the blog owner (better known as LauraJohn), Fakeleft has been singing praises for Huey Long. LauraJohn has been begging for proof that Huey was corrupt. That's riotous, as donkeytale would say.

There's a reason why donkeytale has been entered into the Blogging Hall of Fame. For the last several months, in fact close to a year, he has thoroughly exposed that armpit of a forum as representative of the fake left (whiteysphere). He deserves most of the credit for doing so. I'll take perhaps a smidgen. I wish that dude would blog here on a regular basis. I'm knocking on wood he does. I'm mostly hoping he won't ever again post at PffugeeCamp. Though that's a hard addiction to break. Most of the posts there beg ridicule.

One thing I've noticed with Pffugee bloggers is they seem to be able to post their own incendiary comments without fear of an FBI investigation. Could they, like Alex Jones, also possibly be afflicted with Turneritis?

DavidByron is perhaps the most well-known of all lefty historic trolls. A couple months ago he crossed the Hal Turner line. I've known he was a fake lefty ever since realising how much he despises women. Not very lefty of him. Now I think there's a good chance he was at an FBI seminar with Hal Turner.

The Aiming Higher Campaign


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Stupid Is As Stupid Does

There's this dude who goes by the username Stu Piddy. He made a recent post saying he has a friend in Al Queda. His plausible deniability is he wrote that on April Fool's Day. But still. Who would post such a thing and risk causing a blip on the FBI's domestic terrorism radar?

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This is the same guy who recently went the "Jooos Did It" route. Hmmmm.




Quacks Like Internet Cointelpro

The historic troll Ormond Otvos was covered on this DFQ2 entry. Who in their right mind would ever suggest Joseph Stack's actions were heroic? Would it be someone who may or may not be involved with Operation Crazy Flush?

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Happy Days star Scott Baio gets Twitter death threats after Michelle Obama 'joke'

70 comments:

socrates said...

Some creepy troll won't go away. I've been forced to turn moderation back on.

If there had been more comments from good people, I wouldn't be taking this step.

I advise the troll to seek medical attention. Only a mentally disturbed person would spend this much time at a small blog he or she obviously despises.

I suppose there's the odd chance this person is a disinfo focker trying to mess with a blog exposing his or her type of internet manipulation. If there's a hell, that is where this person's next destination is after Earth.

Anonymous said...

One might find interesting that Prozac makes his list of evils. If there is one organization that has promoted the idea that Prozac is responsible for so much that is wrong in the world, that would be Scientology. They don't run the world, children, but they would certainly like to.

I believe the phrase Prison Planet was popular with L. Ron. If we recall correctly, and we most certainly do, the earth is the prison planet chosen by Xenu himself. We are, you see, the Australia of the universe.

Odd then that it is said that Jeremy Blake and Frank Morales were considering a show with Jones about Scientology. Duncan mentioned Jones a time or two on her blog I believe. See particularly this comparison of Alex Jones to....Quentin Tarantino?

http://theresalduncan.typepad.com/witostaircase/2007/04/grindhouse_melt.html

One wonders, of course, if this suggests that Jones might be more art project than psy-op, but then again, when have the two ever been mutually exclusive?

I hope this post is not seen as trollish. Tis pity you're a mod now, but we do what we have to do to survive, I suppose.

socrates said...

There may be a link between the Church of Scientology and internet psychological operations. But I'd say it's far less likely than Lyndon LaRouche's involvement.

A holy grail would be to link Alex Jones to it. On the surface, it appears he could very well be part and parcel in a Hal Turner kind of way. Proving this, however, is a whole other thing.

I sincerely don't understand the fixation on Theresa Duncan. It smells like a rabbit hole. Bringing Scientology into this specific thread reeks of the same thing.

It's one thing to offer the belief that L. Ron Hubbard used the phrase Prison Planet. Yet, where is even a shred of proof to offer that belief?

Ok, I stand corrected. A quick google search shows Hubbard indeed was into referring to Earth as a prison planet. That is very interesting.

I think your Duncan link shows that her death was clearly brought on by delusion triggered by the internet.

Theresa Duncan: Alex Jones. Jones, 35, got his start on Austin cable access television, graduated to bullhorning meetings of the power elite with cries of "9/11 was an inside job!" and has now created a kitchen sink empire based on scathing political documentaries like Terror Storm and his must-read website Prison Planet. Jones' online home boasts serious articles on the erosion of civil liberties and the violence being done to the U.S. Constitution...


To call Alex Jones a must read is the height of folly. I think Duncan was simply insane. She was the proverbial right woos left useful idiot.

If one could see the few posts I deleted, they would understand why I did that. First, someone posted Yiddish or Hebrew meaning the writing is on the wall. That made sense. But then this person followed with more Yiddish or Hebrew. The Jooos psyop gets very stale quick, imho. As does any fixation on Theresa Duncan and the Church of Scientology. If anything, I think The Church of Latter Day Saints would be a much better target to expose. Those buggers end up in prominent positions of military power. Bringing Scientology into the mix a bit is ok, for Hubbard's fiction is quite similar to that of Joseph Smith's. But any more than a smidgen is excessive.

My problem here is that your post has virtually nothing to do with the main entry. It may not have been a deliberate attempt to hijack the thread, but it most certainly has ended up diluting the overall points made. Domestic terrorism is on the increase. Alex Jones is starting to emerge as a primary catalyst.

I see your angle as a kind of attempt to justify conspiracy theory. However, people will be less likely to go violent, if it's more widely-known that 99% of it is pure crap. Unfortunately, the ones pointing this out don't have much credibility. Perhaps attacks on me are made, so I too am seen as having nothing concrete to offer.

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socrates said...

DKos is what it is. The owner comes from the death squad side of El Salvadoran history. He applied to the CIA and has called them a liberal institution with its heart in the right place. His schtick about extraordinary claims demanding extraordinary proof holds no water considering he has been a CIA tool. DU also holds no moral high ground to slap cold water on deluded conspiracy theorists considering they have been at the forefront promoting them. Otherwise, Larisa Alexandrovna would have been banned along with Will Pitt. It is beyond bizarre that they used to frontpage Brad Friedman when he had been a complete unknown.

The Cass Sunstein piece on conspiracy theories makes a lot of sense except for perhaps his cognitive infiltration stance as the solution. The fruitcakes have simply circumscribed that into their warped world views. The solution has to be comprised of an academic approach with no in-built biases.

What part of no one gives a shit about a conspiracy theory centered around Theresa Duncan and Scientology don't you get? Talk about a rabbit hole on a road to nowhere.

The one common denominator I've seen since starting as a blogger in 2005 is that few and far between are willing to interact with sources and proof provided. I'd rather be alone than blog alongside conspiracy theory freaks or those trying to make me seem like one of them.

Whatever the topic, those people try to bully into my neighbourhood. On a thread exposing ludicrous MK ULTRA, satanic, ritual abuse claims, I let this person continue. I asked her to give me her best evidence. I asked her if there was anything she found ridiculous. That person vanished.

Some freak into 9/11 conspiracy theory finally got a thread here in which he could show us what he's got. He didn't post one thing. Then he kept showing up on other threads having nothing to do with 9/11 and spewed his stuff. Here we see yourself coming in with the lame Theresa Duncan angle. For some reason you seem to think I care about your take on that. I don't. It has nothing to do with the main entry.

Another person kept dropping posts saying I am Jay Reynolds, who was an associate of conspiracy theorist William Cooper. I consider that to be troll spam.

Another person lately kept spamming the same post obviously attempting to mock my use of certain terms like disinfo, grifters, fockers, etc.. Why should I allow that?

I think the best evidence that Alex Jones is paid disinfo is through his association to Michael Rivero. Mike is well-known for his promotion of "the Joos did it" formula. I found proof that he used to work for McDonnell Douglas, the #1 military contractor at that time. Mike is buddies with Tinoire of Progressive Independent. She used to work for military intelligence. People don't change like that. One doesn't go from being a right wing focker to someone completely wound up as a communist who blames Israel for everything.

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socrates said...

I think such ties for Jones are similar to Democratic Underground being directly linked to Al From's Democratic Leadership Council. They are damning. Like Moulitsas' ties to the CIA. These are the types of connections honest people give thanks for them having been foolish enough to admit. Unfortunately such jumping the shark moments oftentimes become buried under a mountain of internet convolution. One success story, however, is that it is clear as sunshine that Michael Connell wasn't threatened by Karl Rove. Thus the Lefty Liars Club has been thoroughly exposed. That is a good thing, a success to build on, to make us know that such efforts can bring fruit at the end of the day.

The Theresa Duncan angle is total bollocks. That is the historical record. No one likes a conspiracy theory that is nowhere near being plausible. The person you sound like claimed that the suicides were faked, that it was some form of alternative reality game. Why would I want that crap contaminating this blog? Another question I have is why do people I want nothing to do with appear to read every word I write and attempt to become a part of DFQ2? I feel such folks are not so different from people like Diana Napolis. Just not as nutty. Or perhaps they receive a paycheck. I don't know.

There's virtually no way without some luck to figure out who is a paid fake or simply deranged. Neither are desired on this small blog.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps you are right, though repeating yourself several times makes you neither more nor less right about Duncan, Scientology and the rest.

But St. Mark's Church, and its volunteer priest Frank Morales were fairly central in 9/11 Truth and, I hear, were joined by some fine Larouchites, not to mention a Urantian or two.

Is St. Mark's relevant? Did you not know of its role in NYC 9/11 meme propagation? New York is somewhat relevant to 9/11 I should think.

What was happening at St. Mark's and how much was "9/11 Truth" shaped by it? By Morales? Use your googler.

socrates said...

Dude, whatever. I don't care what you think, and I most definitely have had enough with 9/11 conspiracy theory crap being spammed on this blog. What I don't understand is why someone neither liked nor respected by myself would continue to read here and try to become a part of it. Nice job hijacking this thread. You added nothing to the entry made and simply added some of the most off-topic bullshit anyone could have ever come up with. You're not wanted here. You need to seek medical treatment or do your disinfo work on another blog, depending if you're insane or a paid fake. I'm done with you. It's over. Go jerk off to Theresa Duncan's ghost elsewhere.

prokabiz said...

If you must know, the theories discussed by Byron and moi, not to mention Otvos in most cases, and which you quote herein, are grounded in revolutionary leftist ideology. These are discussions that were held ad nauseum in the 60s, when real violence erupted from the left, albeit in very limited fashion, which was met with a huge counter reaction that effectively killed the left in western society.

Socialist peacenikkkism is not leftist. Its fakeleftism with a friendly face. Its what Marx considered utopian socialism. Its a non-starter from a change standpoint.

Change requires historical forces that are compelling and which cannot be denied or controlled. These by definition are not ballot box-type initiatives. Truly historic social change arises in response to mass calamity, depression, war, drought, famine, pestilence.

All that stuff which isnt really upon us at this time, and in my mind is actually fading rather than strengthening in reality. The CT nonsense is actually about people trying to convince themselves how bad things are when they are not really that bad.

Byron has a grasp of historical leftism which is mostly accurate. He sounds dangerous because revolution is dangerous business. The rhetoric as well as the reality. And I note, as did Byron in the blockquote, we are in a theoretical discussion here. Capitalism has won out. Pyrrhiod.

History is a series of class struggles, said Marx. I say its a series of struggles that involve class but also race, culture, religion. A clash of civilisations not completely reducable to economic conditions. And as the economic conditions improve for a growing number of the world's peeps, the economics become less important and other, less obvious psychosexual social forces come more to the forefront.

Marx was right, but Freud was righter. There is amother layer below the surface that compels people's actions.

Islam vs the west is as much a psychosexual battle as a religious one, and certainly moreso than a material war.

pstainga said...

And if you want me to post you need to stop running off yur traffic. WTF wrong with you?

Your really no better than MSOC. Let the oppo in. I'm a marketing guy. Yur a blogger. Let me give you some advice. More participants makes for a better blog. Clashing ideas, vehement debate, sarcasm, humour, off the wall off topic and even outright insanity make for a better blog.

A tightly controlled from the top blog suckkks.

Thats why I'm not posting here much. I lurk because I like yur schtick but I have principles too. My principles are grounded in PFF.

The original.

I want to read the schtick yur not letting in, too. Why deprive us?

You are only depriving yur slef.

Larry said...

LOL!!!! Comment moderation ENABLED!!!! Heil Hitler!!


LOL!!!!


I LOVE IT!!!

The 9/11 conspiracy people are sooooooooo "kooky" but you have not debunked one YET!!

pelses said...

See, if you ignore the Larry's of the whiteysphere, especially when they offer "zero" such as here, then eventually Larry will go away.

Ditto Moe and Curley.

[:o)

socrates said...

You sound like donkeytale, but there's no way to ever know for sure. You talk up integrity, yet you show none when you can't even take 10 seconds to log in and stick with your blogger id.

I can come very close to having no censorship. Is there anything you'd think ok to delete? Or you think everything should be allowed, even to the point of trolls taking over the comment area?

What if I don't like excessive cursing or people spamming? I've never had a big problem with the occasional swear, but some people can write the most anti-social posts possible. One of the posts I just ok'd was by someone I had permanently banned for spamming and extreme anti-social behaviour. I guess never say never. But that dude can get downright nasty. He also has a habit of copying and pasting his own posts over and over again. That type of spam shouldn't be deleted?

I am willing to work with you, if you are indeed donkeytale. But it'd be nice if you could sign in to make your posts. It'd be nice if you started doing some blogging. I feel a certain amount of responsibility to open this place up to yourself as I did for abbeysbooks. I haven't a clue why she says she's unable to post here. She has the same permissions you do, and you were able to grace us with your flutter wings thingie.

Ok, I'll try it your way, and we'll see if you have the balls to try to put together a decent blog. Most of the stuff I've produced lately has been gold. You know it.

I'll give Byron credit for this. I don't think he crossed the line. I do think he came very close. You'd have to be blind to not see that people are asking for visits from authorities, if they say too much. You can't incite violence, period.

Did you see the post Stu Piddy made at MLW that got him banned? He came very close to getting arrested. But unlike Hal Turner and the examples I came up with in this blog entry, he was more like Byron and couched it just good enough to perhaps have remained within the realm of protected free speech. I'm not a lawyer, though, and I didn't play one on tv either. I've seen my fair share of court shows, but the new ones usually don't go into these areas (e.g. Judge Judy). Perry Mason is a bit outdated at this point. I thought LA Law stunk, so I missed that one. I heard Boston Legal was a good show, but I'm not really a tv guy. What was the question?

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socrates said...

Obama Cowardly refuses to BLAME BUSH (0.00 / 4)

Why hasn't the cowardly Obama blamed Bush IN A BIG WAY (not hinting) for the destruction of America?

It's because he plans to continue it.

Just a little bit slower than Bush or McCain...

Obama is PRO CAPITALIST....

PRO ISRAEL....anti Arabazoin

Pro state security

PRO BAILOUT....

Don't let a little reality get in your way

Keep dreaming.

Lee Harvey Osward...where were you when we really needed you?

Oh, that's right ...you were just a patsy.

CIA ...where were you when we really needed you?

Oh that's right you were just a Iraq patsy.

Let's see ....who does that leaves us with....hmmmmmmmm.

Is there anybody out there with nothing "left" to lose

Stu Piddy....a free range human
by: Stu Piddy @ Fri Oct 10, 2008 at 21:40:29 PM CDT



In regards to your weak attempt at being an intellectual, you mixed up chocolate with peanut butter [/product placement]. Marx was a sociologist. Freud was into psychology. It seems like you haven't a basic understanding of who the classic sociologists were. You made a good point. But you just didn't have the skills to pull it off.

Mark was too material. Durkheim was too cultural. They were two of the early greats. Comte doesn't count just because he coined the word. Max Weber was the greatest social theorist because he took the best of both Marx and Durkhein. Just look at his Protestant Work Ethic and Spirit of Capitalism thingie to see how he took a more diverse approach to explaining social reality. Of course, to understand fully the modern age, check out the Frankfurt School. They truly got the job done.

In regards to shooting down the peace movement, that's what a DLC operative would be expected to astroturf. Of course I no longer and haven't for a while felt you are paid to post. That means you can be a useful idiot at times.

You see, there really is something to being leftier than thou. Cut the military-industrial complex by 80%. That would be enough money to put into equal schools, fair play employment for all willing to work, shelter, food, health care, etc.. Capitalism might have won out as you put it. But that's a bit too simplistic a view of history. It's why no one with a brain took that dude seriously when he wrote some rubbish about the end of history because the Soviet Union broke up.

Capitalism and socialism are loaded words. One need only look at how wingnuts refer to Obama as a lefty to see how the term socialist has been abused. You have planned economies and open market ones. The best solution would be a mix of the two. Many things need to be regulated. The socialist values I just espoused put me on the right side of history.

Weak thinkers will say I am an idealist calling for things that will never take place; That politics is the art of the possible. Fine. I don't agree. But I definitely don't think violence is ever an option, especially for us Americans. It's a shame to see how so many people are being driven into breaking the law through the type of entrapment I think is going on. Would you be surprised if it turns out Alex Jones is on some form of intelligence payroll, be it the FBI or whatnot, a la Hal Turner's job flushing out crazies?

socrates said...

That's true. I guess sometimes I forget there's no need to feed trolls when they come up with absolutely nothing, because the readers can decide and use their own scroll buttons to get to the good stuff. Perhaps censoring people is in some odd way a means of actually feeding them. Man, this one dude was talking controlled demolition every thread. The one time I set it up where I asked him to deliver the goods, he didn't post. I think people like Larry and that other guy are all about conspiracy theory this and that at all times. Instead of ever accomplishing anything on it, they just do their preaching to the choir schtick. Too bad that Cass Sunstein dude had to go creepy in the long run with his cognitive infiltration recommendation. He was making a lot of sense except for that.

cantspit said...

Did you notice that depudeedogg, the Kos Kop who helped irrevocably change the PFF zeitgeist at FSZ to a pale Kos imitation is going to the slammer?

Ironic, but too bad. There arent many I wish in teh slammer, and since I don't know the dtales I wont judge him on it.

Just thot it interesting. Also, a chance to showcase yur cybersleuthing skillz if you wanted to check out his back story...

[:o)

socrates said...

Got some links? I'm seeing one where MattyJack is asking him to blog from prison if it's allowed. It could be some kind of prank. I need better proof than this. Another strange dude is Kestrel9000. The bait and switch is what one gets from those types. The proper phrase is concern troll. They act one way to gain your trust, while the whole time they are working to undermine logic and fair debate. Supersoling is the epitome of such a poster. Lucy puliing the football away from Charlie Brown is what I'm talking about.

socrates said...

Ok, forget the links. This could all be made up. Dumbdog isn't giving much info. I think he said before he's from New Orleans. He's saying this was big news, that he got set up. He's claimed to be a lawyer. I don't think any cybersleuthing can figure him out, unless someone from New Orleans or wherever he's from has an idea who this person is. I don't think he's a lawyer, and I definitely am not going to believe this story on face value. Funny thing is Lauren S showed up to wish Dumbdog well and tell him he's one of the good guys. It smells like a prank. I've always had the feeling that UGOG, FSZ, and perhaps even pffugee are fake fronts, all some cynical way of keeping discourse under control and generating hits for DKos. If you remember myself getting banned from FSZ for no good reason, it was because we (if you're donkeytale) never let up on exposing MattyJack's scrubbing and goofy fiction writing. MattyJack called the UGOGs regular guys. Not cool. I think MajorFlaw might be buddies with Hannity and Turner. That would make the most sense, if one goes back and see when he first went after DFQ for going after Hannity. The connection is Long Island. Supersoling comes from there too along with Bill O'Reilly.

vegleduc said...

The right side of history? Uhhh, we'll let history decide which side any of us are on.

RIOTOUS!

Yur too defensive, soc. Jeesh. Relax, dude.

The reason I cant post is I'm not logged in. I cant remmeber how to login. Shouldnt I be able to STAY logged in?

Besides. Very busy these daze. No time for sergeants. Good old movie starring Andy of Mayberry.

fosio said...

If you havent guessed, I'm posting the word verfication word as my screen name. "Cantspit" was the best so far, altho "Vegleduc" was pretty good too.

As for the Marx discussion being weak, thanks for adding industrial strength to it.

[:o)

Dude, I recognize that Marx and Freud were different disciplines. In fact, they invented the disciplines, one of which you studied for what purpose has yet too be revealed. But regardless of what class they took, both were struggling to define an essential human truth at base....and coming pretty damn close.

Didnt Weber acknowledge that Marx was the Godfather of Sociology? Or did I just read that on Wikipedia?

As for your latest stuff, its pretty good, but I wouldnt say "Solid Gold," Arsenio....quick, without googling, who was the host of "Solid Gold?"

I think it was Mariyn McCoo, but I could be wong....

Yur the love child of Claire Bloom and Richard Burton with a bag of helium stuck up his drunk arse.

The Cold Creme Spy.

Yur a good guy soc. I'm talking nonsense now. Gotta go bye bye.

You could use a hiatus yurslef.

Ciao!

socrates said...

Deedogg is making it seem easy to figure out who he is, but I don't think so. He has put up a picture of himself. I am starting to think this isn't a hoax.

I guess I am the House MD of cybersleuths. I'm brilliant (p:>) but do make some mistakes from time to time.

My preliminary hunch is that Deedoog might have been involved with a famous Judge scandal in Mississippi. Not sure why I was thinking New Orleans. Though probably because I haven't much of a clue about the redneck part of our country.

Dumbdogg has put up a picture of himself. Problem there is it can be tough to match up photos. I have found that we the people can look different depending on the day plus oftentimes we can resemble others. The form of a false positive for cybersleuthing. What I can do for youse guys for now is give a link, and maybe you can see this might be a good lead.


Two years after indictments, state’s legal community tries to fix Scruggs case damage by Patsy R. Brumfield/NEMS Daily Journal (excerpt)

Richard “Dickie” Scruggs, disbarred.

Timothy Balducci, disbarred.

Sidney Backstrom, disbarred.

Zach Scruggs, disbarred.

Joey Langston, disbarred.

Ed Peters, disbarred.

Bobby DeLaughter, soon to be disbarred.

For Mississippi’s legal community, the past two years have been a stain on the profession as two judicial bribery scandals played out from Jackson north to Oxford.

Barely two months before, similar accusations and trials wrapped up in south Mississippi.

Today, the accumulated damage has left a scar on the Mississippi Bar, the state’s largest aggregation for the legal profession....



To quote Dumbdogg (emphasis mine): "Those who have paid attention, know that I have lived an eventful life in the real world. I have owned my own farm, drove a truck, and been a lawyer. I was involved in the rough and tumble world of Mississippi politics on the Democratic side."

Since he says he's going to the rich man's prison in Texarkana, I am leaning towards thinking he was involved in the above linked to case. At FSZ, he has said his story has gotten decent coverage including tv news reports. On a side note, the primary lawyer and judge involved in the corruption first became well-known for prosecuting the Medgar Evers case some years ago. In the new story, the name Scruggs has arisen. That rings a bell for when Rove and Company went after the Governor of Alabama. If anyone can help me out with any of this, especially you donkeytale for bringing this all up, it would be appreciated. Sure, I enjoy this kind of thing. It's like an expert internet form of a sudoku puzzle. But it helps to have people doing fact checking, watching my back so to speak. I do think I am onto who Deedogg has been involved with. If so, he is clearly corrupt seeing that he's looking at two years of prison. Two years in rich man's prison probably equals 20 years for poor people without proper legal help. Look at those two years I suppose as dumbdogg years. Another fake lefty has gotten his just desserts. I don't feel bad about this one bit. And seeing he is somewhat a public figure, if his true identity can be figured out, I don't believe that would be breaking any internet rules of etiquette.

socrates said...

Damn, each time you've been posting, I've been doing that too. So pardon any inconvenience that my responses have been coming in somewhat an awkward fashion.

socrates said...

I was just joking around with you by evoking sociological authority. The internet just doesn't allow for the kind of dialogue folks can develop in real life. Not that this isn't real.

Aah, I was wondering where those names were coming from. You should be able to stay logged on. Maybe you need to make sure cookies are enabled.

Well, you should definitely sign into blogger if you can. I guess it's no big deal if you can keep an eye out for anyone trying to prank your schtick. You should be receiving all the comments made. As for any blog entries you decide to post, I promise not to moderate. We'll go with the general rules of nothing illegal, no outing of regular guys, no outing of anyone who didn't out themselves. Otherwise, I'll try my best to follow the spirit of Peeder's original vision. By the way, a few of them including I think that lady doberman pinche gave the goold old fu to Peedie for white walling the Political Flest Feast. I don't blame them, especially since neither her nor the other dude revisionist have given me much of a hassle. DeputyDogBreath on the other hand....

The leftier than thou schtick was over the top, I admit. But seriously, I do represent that area, and that's why I take offense to anyone portraying themselves as lefty peaceniks when no way they are. For that reason, I truly appreciated what you did to the Pffugeecamp posers. Maybe one of these days you could write up a major meta piece. Just let it rip, prose style. You've got a lot of oral history. I wouldn't expect you to go link crazy like I have been accustomed to. I am good at watching other people's backs.

OK, I think you have to log in each time. Or if you have cookies on, you shouldn't have to keep resigning in. Then remember, all you need to do is get to the dashboard to het new post and you can get your frontpage status. Like I said, you can take the football and run with it. I can blabber on in the comments more than come up with new entries. Sorry I cramped your style with the Flutter Wings thing.

I could get into some of my personal life, but it's really no big deal in regards to academics. Obviously I am no longer in that field. One can easily see which kind of Sociology I studied. I mentioned it above. I've also linked and talked about guys like Fromm and Marcuse. I'm no genius at it, but I'm not too shabby.

Yes, Weber was keen on Marx but he was also into Durkheim. The key was to combine the two approaches- cultural plus material, like you were brilliantly getting at. I didn't mean no harm, just playing with you. Weber actually tried his hand at some politics. I thinked he lived in Germany when it was pretty cool, but don't hold me to that. I think we need intellectuals to rise in politics. People actually think Clinton and Obama are some types of thinkers. Uhm no. They are clever to a degree, not C- GW Bush students, but I'm talking Howard Zinn. Oh yeah, forgot to say, then after Weber, you go to the Frankfurt School. That's where it's at for Sociology. Or check out C. Wright Mills. He was our best dude. Unfortunately some arse named Talcott Parsons got top billing, while Mills got pushed to the fringes. To discuss that we'd have to start discussing philosophy. Like with the Enlightenment versus the counter-Enlightenment. Personally, I think Jean-Jaques Rousseau knew what was up. Nothing new under the sun is what I'm saying. We can see for miles and miles. I'm a pinball wizard or something.

It's all good. I'm definitely weaning myself more and more off the net. I left a post or two at field negro's. I think unless a supersite put together by good people can grow and compete with at least DKos level blogs, we're just pissing in the wind. I mean, there is something to be said for creating pockets of awareness, but I think the great philosopher Clinton Eastwood once said, "A man's got to know his limitations."

Anonymous said...

Not meaning to make this into a 9/11 topic but this is related to Alex Jones directly and involves a bit of 9/11. Bear with me on this while I theorize for a minute.

Alex Jones certainly seems to have been an agent provocateur with some inside connections to the government. A lot of people are waking up to this now. There is even a video recently where he got called out in Texas as being a provocateur. And I think you are right on your suspicion he is being used to draw out the crazies. But I would go further and say that I believe that they are being used to provoke the right wing teabaggers and militia types into violent acts and this game has been going on since before 9/11. I would say that you could go as far back to Tim McVeigh.

Now for some 9/11..bear with me. This is a coherent point.

Alex Jones predicted 9/11 in July 2001.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8

Who told AJ that the USA was going to be attacked? Was it connections he had in the government?

William Cooper who was a friend of AJ and was in the same patriot and militia circles also predicted 9/11 in the summer of 2001, specifically in June 2001 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPcia9hQohY#t=01m55s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmwC1jytZ1w#t=04m08s

Odd thing is Cooper died in 2001. He had made the point that Osama bin Laden would be used as a scapegoat for 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA

AJ and Cooper were tight. Here's Cooper on Alex Jone's show in 1998:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn-3cLEnWsg&

My point is that the common thread other than being able to predict 9/11 was that both Jones and Cooper have been for years claiming that there would be some event by the "The New World Order" to install martial law. The purpose both Jones and Cooper and guys like Beck and Turner seem to serve is to agitate against the federal government itself by claiming it is the Joos, and Democratics and leftists trying to install a New World Order over the USA when in fact is the right wing that is behind these things. I believe this stuff is in reality coming from Republican leadership and filtered down to the Teabaggers where it becomes operative. There is a real good article here on how the right has been using this technique for decades:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/033110.html

My feeling is that these guys are not simply just drawing out the crazies. There are high level Republican operatives in the government using these provocateurs like Hal Turner, Jones and Cooper to draw out the crazies and INCITE them to violent acts in order to push across an agenda of destabilizing the government(again see consortium news article above). Then when the violent acts occur some goal is achieved and the guys who physically carried out the acts are jailed but planners at the top running the operation are left unscathed to do the same thing again and again. Hal Turner goes to jail, but Hal Turner's right wing FBI boss keeps his job. The nut that Glen Beck incites goes to jail but Glen Beck and Fox News continue to incite more of the same acts.

termea said...

Hilliary is not an intellectual. That much is, y'know, abundantly clear. She's an average middle class white chick with a law degree.

She's about on Sarah palin's level, slightly more practiced at public speaking but fuglier. So its about a wash where they are concerned. Head to head in an electoral race, which is interesting in theory but never realizable, I would give the nod to Palin. Hilliary is a pure bred loooser. Pyrrhiod. She deserves to be chained to Monica Lewinsky for an eternity in Hell is how I see it. Bill will be chained to Huey Long.

Bill Clinton is an intellectual. Obama is an intellectual. Yur confusing intellect with academic "style", which is a common problem for those who believe college degrees have much meaning where brains are concerned. Believe me, the relationship between a college degree, even an advanced college degree, and inelligence is tenuous, at best.

College degree = better trained monkey. Pyrrhiod.

Obama is an intellectual. You are on the side of criticizing him because he's not the lefty pipedream you thot he was even tho he never claimed to be. and couldnt be, given the fact that lefties represent about .0007% of the population, and even then, they are all hiding anonymously in chat rooms pretending to be relevant by acting leftier than thou.

Obama, like Bill Clinton, is an intellectual without fake academic affectation. Zinn was an intellectual. Zinn was also an enthusiastic Obama supporter.

He went to his grave correctly faulting the fakeleft for not creating any momentum to pull Obama to the left, not criticizing Obama for not being lefty enuff.

The fakeleft cant understand why all these real lefties don't think like they do (or don't think, to be more accurate). Here's news for fakelefties: Moore, Zinn, Kucinich, Cole, et al, live in the real world, which is a give and take, a taffy pull, among very powerful political forces. About half the country or more opposes atheistic pwoggiedom, even on a good day. The real left are not cellophaned inside an intellectual vacuum like the virtual left are. Even Greenwald, if you read carefully, supported the HCR that passed, once he got thru all of his fakeleft-inciting gibberish.

The fakeleft can't grasp the truth so they push themselves even further off the ledge and into increasing irrelevancy. Itd pffunny to watch but I'm bored with it and them.

Fake lefties cling to other fake lefties for support. People like Amy Goodman and Naomi Klein, who exist entirely as cottage industries making bank by feeding theoretical pablum to fakeleft infants. If it was a larger sized nursery there would be a few more junk purveyors occupying the same space.

Obama is a leftist who must govern from the center in order to stay viable in our bisexual system of the eternal 69.

Clinton was also a leftist who had to govern from the center. Bush was a rightist who should have governed from the center. That was how he was elected. 9/11, whether it was an inside job or not, which ultimately matters not a whit just like who killed the Kennedys doesnt matter a whit, ruined Bush and ruined whatever vestige of Amerikkkan sensibility remained.

Both Clinton and Obama have rather brilliantly countered the vast right wing conspiracy with....zero....help.....from.....the.....virtual......left.

Who do nothing but whine ineffectually for nothing, about everything and never recognize where they are helping pull this country......farther to the right.

socrates said...

Donkeytale: Ok, I think I know what you meant by forgetting how to log on. It's google. Blogger is google. so in the box, it starts with google account clicked anyway. Your username is the email address you gave me to add you to this forum. Blogger is like juggling. There's really not too much to it than a few mouse clicks. Your entries can also have images and videos, html codes same as soapblox.

I guess I'll respond to your post before the conspiracy theory freak's.

I agree Hillary isn't the brightest tomato. There's this phrase called confusing luck for skill. She fits that category.

I was definitely referring to Bill Clinton and Obama exuding smartie pants kind of auras. I guess it's all subjective anyway. Rove and Cheney are probably smart dudes. They don't have morals though, and are better suited to be playing table tennis with DumbDogg over at the Texarkana Federal Country Club Prison. By the way, maybe that dude's related to Newt Gingrich? Talk about an ugly, cheesy, slimy person. I'd like to figure out who he is, but I don't think it's possible. Not unless someone from Mississippi recognises him.

I'll agree with your Palin-Hillary description. Palin's hot. There's no way around it. That is subject to chacge as she ages [/DavidByron misogyny. I think the perfect words for them are whipper snappers, people who confuse luck for skill, those who are getting their fifteen minutes of fame. Women are great, our equals and whatnot, thank God for the whatnot, but no one would have ever heard of Hillary Clinton, if she'd never been married to Bill.

And it's the corrupted system which someohow is preventing truly great people to rise to power. Something is forcing those to gain political power to lose their intrgrity. Look at Arianna Huffington. She used to come across as kind of smart. Back before she created her website. Hitchens too. But then both of them somehow jumped the shark. Huffington is all dahling and superficial, turned into a "limousine liberal" after being a conservative. Hitchens used to make a lot of sense too until he went neocon on us. Bizarre turns of events indeed.

Hillary and Al Gore should have swapped their approaches. Al should have tied himself to the Clinton years- the balanced budget, relative peace, low unemployment. But he got tied up with caring too much what other people think. Hillary Clinton's job, otoh, was to divorce Bill Clinton for cheating. Hillary Clinton is ultimately a self-serving, smug, fake lefty. I agree. Palin's a sexy looking wingnut. Hillary's uhm, she's a conformist too in her own right, just more on the left side. She would have been a better choice than Obama for the Left, but how far left she would have gone from Obama would be no given, not with triangulation.

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socrates said...

I was about to slam you on this Obama is or is not an intellectual thing, but I am seeing the need to keep my individual, impeccable, academic thoughts and those I studied with separate from the failrefts of the world.

Precisely, Donkeytale. There is a real left, and even then there is room for a spectrum. Then there is this internet left which doesn't resemble it too much, oftentimes not at all.

I'm more than bored with pffugeecamp, it makes me sick to my stomach. The last straw was watching doberman pinche show no awareness of some of the crazier ideas being fronpaged by LauraJohn. Those guys are living off of the page hits of the original Political Flesh Feast. It was on Mary Scott O'Connor. She was the best chance for your people. Donkeytale, we're the Annette Appollo's of the world. It gets stale at a certain point. When the few of us try to calmly and intellectually debate the keyboard commandos, they storm back at us with a vengeance. These people don't understand democracy, dialogue, humanity and social movement. They only know how to push buttons on anyone not tuned into their basic nasty ways.

I don't agree with triangulation, but I do admit your take is correct. GW went too far right. It's tough not to argue Bill Clinton's been the best President in a long time. Now there we had some hope. Before then was Jimmy Carter. Here's my question to you? You seem so -hell-, eh won't condemn you to hell, you seem so bent on not ctiticising Obama and the DLC for fear of conservative control for more decades on end, that you too are a lefty or middle of the road lefty, that you are in jeopardy of turning into a Joe Lieberman or Karmafish Democrat. A bit of holding the left to the fire could help your schtick. It would insulate you from the idea that you could be Al From's former roomate at the community college. Uhm, just a joke on the community college part. I am not an elitist intellectual. I'm actually just me, not Al Franken. Overall I do see your points and agree to a great extent.

Those guys at Pffugeecamp aren't really lefties. They support the theocracy in Iran. Huey Long, ha, you must be still thanking them for that one. Fakeleft (Fairleft) is clearly the gift that never stops giving. Who in their right mind would claim to be a lefty yet be against affirmative action, claim Nixon was the last liberal President, call for surveillance in urban areas, and probably more examples you are aware of than me, for I got fed up and bored with them long before you did. I'm glad you stopped posting there. I won't begrudge you, if you go back from time to time. The problem with the internet is there is nowhere to go, absolutely nowhere for net addicts like us to go for some realistic, organic, whatever type interaction.

I agree with you that these fake lefties are playing into the hands of the right wing. They are helping set the stage for which the worse of two evils could be elected in in 2012. I think it will come down to unemployment for Obama to be re-elected. It's the economy, stupid was Bill Clinton's brilliant catch phrase. If regular guys and gals are having trouble finding work around 2011 into 2012, that will pose more of a threat to Obama winning a second term than anything any of us buggers post on the internet.

socrates said...

Now back to Anonymous. It'd be nice if you too could pick a username and stick with it. One thing I like about the anonymous posts is they cannot be deleted. The negative is that one never knows who we are reading, where they have been before, things like that.

Bill Cooper was an odd one. He and Alex Jones are two examples of how difficult it is to understand wtf and where tf they have come from. Thus, there's no way one can say with any true confidence that they have been paid fakes in a cold creme spy kind of way.

I listened to some youtube of Bill Cooper "exposing" Alex Jones. It was riotous, as the legend of blogging donkeytale would say. He basically took a show done by Jones at the end of December 1999 and clearly did expose Alex Jones for being an outright fear mongering pimp. But that's where the pot meets Ma and Pa kettle. Cooper's schtick was that Jones and others were hyping fear of the New World Order or Odor as Cooper wrote in an attempt to flush out crazies who would give the NWO the political collateral or whatnot to implement martial law.

I think Cooper was basically insane. I think he was played by proverbial disinfo agents, as he himself claimed. Why else would he have committed suicide by cop? If Cooper was a paid fake, he would have gone the Hal Turner route of crying like a baby when the Feds were going after him. It wasn't even the Feds who killed Cooper. It was the local sheriffs. I think Cooper had threatened a doctor with a gun, and when the local cops arrived naturally to take him in for that, Cooper started a shoot out.

Alex Jones does seem to fit the agent provocateur label. But we have no proof. If he is, I think he got hired from them after his schtick had started to gain some popularity with Texan wingnuts.

The funny thing is you are arguing what Cooper said about Alex Jones. You claim this psyop is coming from the right. You make yourself appear as a lefty. Yet, in some way, you also seem to be justifying the conspiracy theory angle as legitimate. Obviously I have blogged quite a bit about conspiracy theorists and am in jeopardy of being in a pot meet kettle boat. But that's the risk I've never been afraid to take.

You say that both Cooper and Jones predicted 9/11. That couldn't be farther from the truth. They predicted imminent terrorism in America with Bin Laden somehow ending up with the blame. Wow! Here's a prediction from me. The Red Sox and Yankees will compete for the Eastern Division banner in the American League. So when that happens, does that make me privy to some insider knowledge? Not one bit. Jones and Cooper were saying the obvious.

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socrates said...

I do like your point that somehow it is the left and socialists who get spun as the forces behind the NWO by both Jones and Cooper. But eventually I see this as you continuing to spin conspiracy theory as the be all end all to the internet. Maybe I'm off-base, but you remind me of the dude who won't shut up about controlled demolition or the dude who thinks Theresa Duncan is some missing link to figuring everything out.

Then there was your wrong use of the word democratic. Democrats are menbers of the Democratic Party. You called Democrats Democratics, something I used to do. I've also been the victim for now many years of being spun as someone using sock puppets having imaginary dialogue. Maybe it's a coincidence. Or maybe it's not.

I've only deleted a few posts from this blog. Most of those were from people who have been trolling me for years. One of them made fun of some of the words I've used a lot, like fockers, disinfo grfters, astroturfing, whatever. Now you show up here using the word Democratics in the wrong way I used to. Things like that blip my radar. It's like when Meno-Hans was writing a lot as allot.

I see your schtick as being a sophisticated attempt to get in my good graces, while eventually attempting to steer this blog a certain way or make me, not Al Franken, look bad. Like an attempt to circumscribe my prose and research into internet convolution.

So on the surface I think you have made it seem that internet convolution is coming from the right, and I agree with that, but below that surface I think has been an attempt to ultimately justify some of the ideas coming out of both Jones and Cooper. It appears to me that you are trying to act clever in an ultimately insidious manner. You seem to have tried to show appreciation for how I've reacted to controlled demolition man and the dude jerking off to Duncan's ghost. Yet, in some warped way, you are doing the same thing.
What we know for sure is that certain individuals are trying to flush out the crazies and increase violence. But to say that is being done to destabilise government is beyond the beyond. I think such activities are done in order to stabilise the status quo. The more fruitcakes lash out, the easier it is for the spy factories to keep receiving their monstrous budgets. I also don't see how such acts of violence could hurt Obama's chances for re-election. The activities are coming from wingnuts not lefties. If anything, such results are hurting the Republican Party's chances of regaining power.

Larry said...

Ahhhh, I see Joseph Goebbels took comment moderation off his blog! Free speech lives again here at DFQ2! Hooo waaa!

Larry said...

Anonymous, youre simply lying when you say:

"The purpose both Jones and Cooper and guys like Beck and Turner seem to serve is to agitate against the federal government itself by claiming it is the Joos, and Democratics and leftists trying to install a New World Order over the USA when in fact is the right wing that is behind these things"

Jones CONTINUALLY professes that there is a fake/false left-right paradigm and he makes hardly ANY distinction between right and left. He bashed Bush Co. for 8 years over 9-11 and somehow you think he "claims" it's the leftists and Democrats??? Amazing.

Larry said...

"There are high level Republican operatives in the government using these provocateurs like Hal Turner, Jones and Cooper to draw out the crazies and INCITE them to violent acts in order to push across an agenda of destabilizing the government"

Except for the fact that there have been no violent acts that have been directly linked to Alex Jones. In fact, most of the violent acts have been "leftists".

Amy Bishop---Obama suppoter

James von Brunn----hated father and son Bush, McCain, FOX News and even FOX news was on his list of targets

Joe Stack----Democrat

Scott Roeder-----no association to Alex Jones

Richard Poplawski----OPPOSED Alex Jones' views and the incident that brought police to the scene was a domestic issue and had nothing to do with paranoia over a "New World Order" or "martial law". Poplawski might have believed in these things, but accusing Jones about having these views would be no different than accusing the Pittsburgh Steelers for the shootings if Jones' fave team was the Steelers.

Pentagon shooter----no association to Alex Jones. A 9-11 truther was he? Maybe. But he also had a mental illness---and saying that 9-11 truth is to blame for the shootings is like saying Al Gore is responsible if the guy believed in global warming. There's no connection whatsoever.

socrates said...

Alex Jones does indeed profess there is a fake right-left paradigm. Yet since he's right wing, that doesn't make much sense.

Google Alex Jones new world order socialism, and there is plenty of evidence that Alex Jones doesn't even believe what he preaches about a fake left-right paradigm. To him, the New World Order is all about an attempt to implement socialism.

The bottom line Larry, is that you are what is referred to as a conspiracy freak, part and parcel of what Cooper and Jones have been. There is someone named Dennis B. Roddy of Slate Magazine who kind of makes your point. But you may not be ready to understand his words, that while you and your ilk may indeed be beyond fitting into a right-left paradigm, that simply means that you're more confused than thinking ideologically.

You are a descendcent of the John Birch Society!

I didn't say all those people you mentioned were Alex Jones' fans. I don't even know too much about that Bishop lady. But you're barking up the wrong tree with Poplawski. He went to InfoWars for his 'news'. He had the same sort of mental illness all you NWO conspiracy theory freaks suffer from.

Now not only do you deny the influence creeps like Jones are having in riling up emotions leading people to commit or make violent threats, you are saying most of these people are leftists. On one hand you say there is a fake left-right paradigm. On the other you are saying these nutjobs are coming from the left.

I also notice you completely ignored the new examples linked to Jones. Maybe you didn't even read the blog entry. Perhaps you saw the title and just went to the comments.

We haven't even discussed the various teanuts who have been inciting violence against Obama.

I'm advising you to be careful with comments made on the net. You are being watched, but it isn't for the reasons you think it is. The authorities don't care about what we are posting, unless it has to do with making violent threats. Military intelligence, the FBI, or whoever are only interested in organisations like Wikileaks and potential domestic terrorists, the former being those with the ability to put a real potential dent in the status quo of needless wars or the latter pertaining to potentially violent nutjobs acting on US soil.

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socrates said...

You've simply got to be more careful with your rhetoric, unless you want a visit from the FBI or whomever. You wrote at TLNL's blog, "I feel a second civil war brewing in America. Well, that is...if people care enough."

TLNL also pointed out a Prison Planet article you published at your own blog.

The Last Name Left: re Larry's comment on Revolution:

At Larry's blog, he publishes an article by PR-IS-ON-PLAN(et) which says:



"the feds have been busy training law enforcement that law-abiding American citizens who exercise their legal right to purchase firearms or who exercise their first amendment right to discuss politics or run websites, are potential terrorists who want to instigate a violent revolution."


Oh - there's Larry and Prisonplanet furiously grumbling that they're UNFAIRLY portrayed as "potential terrorists who want to instigate a revolution".........and then LArry goes and wrecks the deception by ADMITTING he wants a Revolution....and can see another Civil War coming!

Well, gee - seems all those reports were right Larry.

At least that's the end of your pretense then.


The article at Larry's concludes saying:


All of these coordinated moves to demonize informed, armed and pissed off Americans as extremists, terrorists and hate criminals represents the federal government’s final push to brainwash the population into accepting the notion that some Americans are dangerous, that they are enemies of the state.....

Larry's wish for revolution and threats of impending civil war must surely qualify him as 'an enemy of the state.'

Like it or not.

Such deceit! One minute it's an outrage for those seeking to protect the peace to call Larry and his fellow-travellers enemies of the state - the next minute Larry is threatening revolution and civil war.

This is WHY you and your fellow-travellers are rightly considered "a danger" Larry.

Real Truth Online said...

"The bottom line Larry, is that you are what is referred to as a conspiracy freak, part and parcel of what Cooper and Jones have been. There is someone named Dennis B. Roddy of Slate Magazine who kind of makes your point. But you may not be ready to understand his words, that while you and your ilk may indeed be beyond fitting into a right-left paradigm, that simply means that you're more confused than thinking ideologically."

My "ilk"?? "conspiracy freak"??? Yet you have NEVER---EVER refuted me ONCE!

Youre hilarious!

"But you're barking up the wrong tree with Poplawski. He went to InfoWars for his 'news'. He had the same sort of mental illness all you NWO conspiracy theory freaks suffer from."

If he visited the Pittsburgh Steelers' website on a daily basis, would the Steelers be to blame? Funny thing is---Poplawski held OPPOSING views to Jones--he criticized Jones on the blog threads---no less than 3 websites first reported the garbage you just spouted and recanted days later.

"Now not only do you deny the influence creeps like Jones are having in riling up emotions leading people to commit or make violent threats"

Name ONE [associated DIRECTLY to Jones]

"On one hand you say there is a fake left-right paradigm. On the other you are saying these nutjobs are coming from the left."

You suffer from the same menatl illness TLNL suffers from. Ive explained this NUMEROUS times to him. There IS a fake left-right paradigm----when I use the words "left" and "right"--I am simply stating these are views that are VIEWED as left or right! Not that they ARE.

Here's a PERFECT example: 9/11 truthers are called "LEFT" by the "RIGHT" and called "RIGHT" by the "LEFT". Hmmmmmm---how can we be BOTH???? Hmmmmmmm???????

"You've simply got to be more careful with your rhetoric, unless you want a visit from the FBI or whomever. You wrote at TLNL's blog, "I feel a second civil war brewing in America. Well, that is...if people care enough.""

Yes, and I stand by that comment because people back in 1861 seceded from the Union for FAR LESS than whats going on now. They CARED about the Constitution. Most people in America today care more about stupid-ass TV shows and football games. If the exact same people from 1861 were here today, they would be called terrorists---despite the fact that the Constitution grants secession.

Your excerpt from TLNL is pointless, I explained myself above. The government is calling everyday Americans terrorists for practicing their Constitutional right to bear arms and secede. THIS is why I post and write stories about the government's anti-terrorism laws and actions, because they violate the Constitution----so NOTHING I ever said is contradictory to me complaining that the government's actions are violating our rights.

Name ONE contradiction. I guess you'd have to know what our Constitution says before you did that!

WE THE PEOPLE rule this land-----not ANY government agency!

socrates said...

Larry: Poplawski held OPPOSING views to Jones


Uhm, Poplawski held the same conspiracy freak disposition as does yourself and your idol Alex Jones. Poplawski's problem with Jones was that he didn't think Jones went far enough in demonising Joooos. But Alex takes care of that through using coded language. He's best buddies with Mike Rivero. Rivero publishes and links to neonazis such as Curtis Maynard and Jeff Rense.


Larry: Name ONE [associated DIRECTLY to Jones]

Earl of Wingnuts, next to google, reading comprehension is your best friend. In the main entry I provided two recent examples of conspiracy theory freaks making threats on Jones' website.


Larry: There IS a fake left-right paradigm----when I use the words "left" and "right"--I am simply stating these are views that are VIEWED as left or right! Not that they ARE.


Fair enough. However, nearly all of the conspiracy freak material is deriving from right wing kooks (Rense, Jones, Rivero, Beck, Carto, et al). Their schticks are referred to as right woos left. Bet on it with a glass of soy milk.


Finally, I agree with you that certain forces within the government, whether FBI or parts of military intelligence, are working to flush out the crazies. I'm just telling you for your own good to be careful. In a strange way, I kind of wouldn't want to see you or anyone else get in trouble for having a low iq. Advocating violence is a no go. Are you saying that Alex Jones doesn't influence some individuals to cross the line into getting arrested or paid a visit?

Did you watch the video I posted above? Jones was acting so fricken crazy and mad. He was saying the same things as yourself about the need for US citizens to stand up to the 'NWO'. Have you ever listened to the show Jones did on the eve of Y2K? He was out of control making up a lot of lies. I'm not saying all these crazies are acting out and getting into trouble solely because of Alex Jones. It's about his ilk. And Jones is arguably the #1 player in regards to the illuminati psycho babble movement. While none of us should drink and drive, I advise all conspiracy theory freaks to watch what they say. I'm trying to do youse guys a favour. Don't drink and blog!

That bit of advice also has nothing to do with most of the crazy ideas you guys post about. Nothing Jones or any of the others like Cooper have posted puts a scare into the 'global conspiracy'. The ptb's actually love you guys posting the way you do. It makes the status quo seem legit. Just don't promote violence in any manner, and you'll be fine. Mmmmkay?

Larry said...

"Finally, I agree with you that certain forces within the government, whether FBI or parts of military intelligence, are working to flush out the crazies. I'm just telling you for your own good to be careful. In a strange way, I kind of wouldn't want to see you or anyone else get in trouble for having a low iq. Advocating violence is a no go. Are you saying that Alex Jones doesn't influence some individuals to cross the line into getting arrested or paid a visit?

Did you watch the video I posted above? Jones was acting so fricken crazy and mad. He was saying the same things as yourself about the need for US citizens to stand up to the 'NWO'."

Yeah, and if you ever went to my blog, you will see that I have called out Jones on his 2nd grade behavior and at times, acting like a complete ASS, especially during that interview he did with Peter Joseph. In fact, I was an "unofficial" writer for PP until I exposed Jones' bullshit over the Charlie Sheen/Obama fake interview---then I got banned by them and they deleted all 21 of my articles.

So yes I know first hand that if you dare expose their hypocrisy and they cant refute it, they will ban you and destroy any link linking their site to yours.

I would like to think that that alone separates me from the ones who listen to Jones and because of their pre-existing mental illness [NOT because of what Jones says] go out and do something crazy. I'm a prime example that one can listen to Jones and take the paranoia with a grain of salt. Jones instills fear too----and that's always been my biggest complaint about him----he will cover a legitimate story and expose it for being unconstitutional, but then turns around and milks the fear aspect from it, then not offer any solution to it. That doesnt mean the story, in and of itself, is false.

"Are you saying that Alex Jones doesn't influence some individuals to cross the line into getting arrested or paid a visit?"

How can anyone say that never happens? If they get arrested because of something Jones said, I wouldnt necessarily view that as "wrong". The Patriot Act is extremely unconstitutional---does that mean if I violate the Patriot Act, I'm a bad person and deserve arrest? Even in the military you dont even have to follow an immoral order that is given to you, but of course, they have ways around that to get you to carry it out. [threats, arrest, etc..]

You make it sound like getting arrested or getting in trouble with authorities ALONE means that you did something wrong, as if the authorities are always right and shouldnt be questioned. I always revert back to the law of the land. Look at the number of war protesters that get arrested for peacefully voicing their views and exercising their constitutional right to free speech!

If someone goes out and blows up something and then later we find out they frequented a website where they obtained anti-government ideology, that means they already had a screw loose and their website choices are really irrelevant----UNLESS the website actually instructed them to do violent acts. I dont see anywhere on PP where they advocate violence---and apparently either does the authorities, or Jones and his staff would be in jail now. The fact that he's a free man and in his studio every day is evidence that even the FBI or government doesnt see him as a direct cause of the loonballs who commit violent acts.

socrates said...

Thanks for the civil response, Larry. I actually agree with most of what you just wrote.

I do remember you breaking off with Jones over the Sheen-Obama thingie. That's pretty much the problem with Jones' 'reporting'. He has a knack for twisting things around. I've seen him take mainstream articles and simply come up with a new title, totally twisting what the articles had actually said.

There is the chance he is not paid disinfo. He has that hysterical voice and some acting skills. It'd be interesting to get one of those body language experts to study if his words match up with his beliefs. I believe he is either a grifter or paid disinfo. He could have started as a grifter and got added later to an intelligence payroll. Notheless, he does serve as a strawman for good stuff he covers, such as the unconstitutional Patriot Act. The money might be that good for him, that he doesn't care. A lie detector test would be ideal, but that's not gonna happen.

I can definitely relate to your writings being whitewalled from Prison Planet. Same thing happened to me at Democratic Underground. They couldn't refute what had been posted on fake lefties like Brett Kimberlin, Brad Friedman, and Fintan Dunne, so despite my having a 100 post thread going on strong with 5000 views, in an area known for threads getting about 10 responses tops and 200 views, out came the scrub brush.

Dude, I've got relatives who are into the same stuff you are. I know there's the great possibility you're a regular guy. One thing you might want to try. If you don't agree with myself and TLNL, a great possibility, you should debate that we are spreading misinfo, not disinfo. There's a big difference. Unless you think we are on payrolls. If so, good luck finding the paystubs. They don't exist.

I agree with you that getting arrested is not proof of anything. Innocent until proven guilty. I'll concede your point that Jones can't be held legally responsible for what any nutjobs are inspired to do based on his rants. I have to admit I find Jones to be kind of entertaining in small doses. Guys like him and Bill O'Reilly are not getting big ratings because most of the folks agree with them. I'd say a guy like Olbermann is closer to the ideal. Granted Keith does get into that fake rant style at times in an obvious ploy to boost ratings, yet in the long run for the most part and as a sports dude, he does seem to cover a lot of important stories in an intellectually honest manner.

I find it beyond disgusting that the Wikileaks story isn't being covered too much. Greenwald says it probably wasn't an aberration. I think that way too. I believe it about a guy like Hal Turner. I think we have to show some love for the military whistleblowers who gave Wikileaks the video proving those Apache gunners committed war crimes.

I will agree that Jones hasn't come out in direct ways like Turner did in promoting violent acts. He's got a gift for not crossing the line. He can encourage violent acts without actually doing so in words. The 64 million dollar question is whether Jones is on an intelligence payroll. The answer is one that we'll probably never find out. I think it's fair to wonder if he is. I also concede that he might be some form of con artist, hamming up some Patriot Movement schtick in quest of the almighty dollar.

Anonymous said...

First off, my use of the term Democratics was a typo... not part of a psyop conspiracy against you. That's the problem with the internet. It makes people a bit paranoid. Me included. And I have posted here before but I would rather just stay anonymous because to be honest i don't trust anyone posting online and don't really care to make friends with people discussing politics online since most of the left sites have been taken over by rightwing liars and agents. Not to say anything bad at all about this place but I just would rather stay detached from it all. Like you say, most of the internet is a sewer. And I don't have the time or inclination for sorting out the wheat from the shit. I am not a part of any group I just believe sincerely that the solution is to get to the roots of 9/11 and the JFK assassination and other crimes by these shadow actors against the Unites States and DEAL WITH THEM. Prosecute, jail and put them away so they can't create Iraq War III. Each new atrocity against the Unites States (JFK, BCCI, Gulf War, 911 and Iraq War) has been the creation of the same group of perpetrators. And each crime is 10 times greater than the last. Jesus Christ, when is America going to deal with its shadow government? Other countries have exposed theirs(Turkey, Italy and Greece), when is the U.S.A going to deal with its shadow government and prosecute them? Yes conspiracies exist. You posted video yourself of the wikileaks leak of the U.S. military purposely targeting civilians... the attempt by two or more persons to keep that covered up is by definition a conspiracy. Only in the United Slaves States are millions of people conditioned to think conspiracies are crazy and don't happen here. I originally found this site because "socrates" kept popping up exposing assholes across the internet who were righties posing as lefties and I thought, ok, FINALLY someone is going for the balls and not playing around with these fakes. Good! (You notice how all of the lefty news has ignored the wikileaks videos? Because they are mostly fakes in bed with the right.) But then I come here and post a few things about 9/11 and you become hyper reactionary just like all of the other sites trying to limit discussion. Why? What you should be concerned with is people posting bullshit with no regard for facts(holograms, UFOs, Joos did it). Not people who are trying to get to the bottom of 9/11. It would sure be nice for those claiming to fight the good fight to not jump all over people for pointing out what everyone already knows.. that even if 9/11 wasn't created from the inside we know that it sure as hell was helped and pushed along by Americans on the inside. And if we are to prevent things like this from happening in the future those people need to be brought to justice. I don't see that. I don't see it on the left and I don't see it on the right. Does anyone care that the U.S. military as revealed in this wikileaks video shot up a bunch of civilians for no reason at all? Apparently not. A major story that in the USA no one is reporting on. Same with 9/11.

Anonymous said...

"What we know for sure is that certain individuals are trying to flush out the crazies and increase violence. But to say that is being done to destabilise government is beyond the beyond."

One more thing. The government is not one monolithic entity. It has factions with different goals. One faction of the government is definitely seeking to destabilize the country to make things favorable for corporate fascists IMHO. Many things point to that. 1) Creating 3 or 4 wars in the middle east while the USA has no money to support it 2) What Bush did in response to Katrina. 3) What the bankers did to the USA 4) What Enron did to California.

It could all be coincidence..or things like greed that the Republicans took acts that led to destabilization of the USA but I tend to believe that their intentions were on purpose and often times coordinated. That is more a gut feeling thing although I see things to support that conclusion. Some of these guys on the right would like to see nothing more than watch the U.S government collapse.

Anonymous said...

Larry said...

Anonymous, youre simply lying when you say:

"The purpose both Jones and Cooper and guys like Beck and Turner seem to serve is to agitate against the federal government itself by claiming it is the Joos, and Democratics and leftists trying to install a New World Order over the USA when in fact is the right wing that is behind these things"

Alex Jones in my opinion, is a rightwing anti-government patriot gun nut pretending to be against a right/left paradigm. He is definitely hailing from the far right. The patriots and militias did go after Bush... right after they helped put him in office and sat back as he wrecked the country. Because that is exactly what they want. And Jones places himself in the militia and patriot circles. Whether or not he is also a government provocateur working for rightwing agitators inside the government I am not sure. Go visit his site and watch his videos. He is far right and by definition his fight is mainly against the left although he does not always present it that way. Right woos left as socrates says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lREbO6tBLC0&

Anonymous said...

Dirtbag said:
"Yes, and I stand by that comment because people back in 1861 seceded from the Union for FAR LESS than whats going on now. They CARED about the Constitution. Most people in America today care more about stupid-ass TV shows and football games. If the exact same people from 1861 were here today, they would be called terrorists---despite the fact that the Constitution grants secession."

The U.S.A. is a lot better off because the secessionist slave owning TERRORISTS lost you dirtbag. But of course that is what the rightwing really wants. 1861 vs. 2010. A country full of slaves. Bush brought us halfway there.

socrates said...

Thanks Anonymous for the nice posts. Sorry I came down hard on you. It was a good thing Donkeytale watched my back by telling me to stop being a jackass with the moderating.

I'd be interested in your take on how the Wikileaks story is being covered. Greenwald's done a very good job. I'm not really a tv watcher, so I haven't a clue how it's being presented there. It was covered at DKos. Though not by Moulitsas or any of their frontpagers. Hmmm. I'm curious which lefty news you're talking about who are ignoring it. You'd figure at least Olbermann would be on it. I wouldn't be surprised, however, for the media has truly let us down over the years. Always a bunch short and way late to the party. Wow, Huffington is awful for loading time. They've a new piece. The military can't find its copy of the videotape. Someone must have tossed it in the trash. They were busted big time on this. If Obama was the real deal, he would have come out with a press conference condemning it and wanting answers. I'm thoroughly disgusted. That was a clear cut war crime. I'm guessing overall this story is getting little coverage, and when it does, it's of the enigma variety, of the oh they were just doing their job, war is hell, etc..

Those guys on the ground had no weapons. Maybe one guy had a handgun, I'm not sure. But even if so, they were walking around in a war zone, no need to blow them away like that unless they were clearly "enemies" in a war. There are Geneva Conventions and rules of engagement for very good reasons. Our "leaders" are making us look like total douchebags.

Thanks for sharing that Alex Jones video of him driving in his car. That sounded like inciting violence imho. Larry will probably say Jones is promoting violence only if necessary for self-defense. But if one looks at what Jones has been talking about for over a decade, it sure looks to me like Jones is saying it's time for that self-defense. I think I'll add that for an update. Thanks.

I also ask you try to not call Larry a dirtbag, not that I don't agree, but that he seems to have settled down enough. He can get awfully nasty with his posts, and that puts me in a tough bind in regards to keeping my finger off the delete button. No one wants to deny free speech. At least in theory.

I'm not trying to deny you from writing about 9/11. I could set up an open thread and it could be all yours. I realise it would be a form of a dungeon, but that's the best I can do.

I totally understand your anger and disappointment in Larry for going the racist route. I don't understand how anyone can support the South having seceded from the Union or saying now that it is a legal option. We're one country. We're America. Due to the issues of free speech on a blog we've gone over, I'm not sure what else I can do to encourage Larry not to post here. I'd rather right wingers stay away. The one thing I'm looking for is civility. If he's going to post here, I hope he can keep his cool. Otherwise I haven't a clue what options I have other than banning him. It's a tricky situation. There's some other guy who won't shut up about Theresa Duncan. There's another guy who keeps saying I'm Jay Reyolds, someone who used to work with William Cooper of all people. Take it easy.

Larry said...

"The U.S.A. is a lot better off because the secessionist slave owning TERRORISTS lost you dirtbag. But of course that is what the rightwing really wants. 1861 vs. 2010. A country full of slaves. Bush brought us halfway there."

Terrorists huh? DESPITE the FACT that the Constitution permits secession? The South only lost because the North [Union] had more men, more resources, more horses, more money, more everything. Lincoln's emancipation proclaimation freed NO slaves, since MOST slaves were in the South---and since the South didnt recognize Lincoln as their President, why would they abide by the proclaimation? Lincoln didnt issue the proclaimation to free slaves---Lincoln was actually PRO-slavery---he was also RACIST. Lincoln issued the proclaimation for one reason ONLY: political purposes. He wanted the anti-slavery vote----that was the ONLY reason.

"I totally understand your anger and disappointment in Larry for going the racist route. I don't understand how anyone can support the South having seceded from the Union or saying now that it is a legal option. We're one country. We're America."

The racist route? Wanna explain that?

The South was defending the Constitution and states rights----THATS why you should understand people supporting them. The North [Union/Lincoln] wanted bigger government and to centralize government. It's legal because the Constitution grants secession. The founders NEVER wanted the federal government to rule over the states and the people---and that is EXACTLY what was going on in 1861--and ever since then--and now even more so since the government now is in control of the banks, our mortgages and now...health care.

Actually READ the Constitution before you make comments like "I don't understand how anyone can support the South having seceded from the Union or saying now that it is a legal option". Dont act like you KNOW what it says just because you held your hand over your heart while staring at the flag in school and at baseball games---actually READ what it says!

Question: Why do people demonize militias? If it wasnt for militias, we wouldnt have a country---for it was militias who fought the Revolutionary War.

2nd question: Were the militias of the 1770's terrorists too?? Cant wait for this answer.

socrates said...

I'm not going to feed the you know what anymore. I could make some comments, deal with his racism, or perhaps mention how state rights weren't appreciated in the 2000 Presidential election, but I've found it pointless to interact with this person. He supports Holocaust deniers. Ugh. And he won't go away from a small blog that thinks his shit smells worse than usual. I've never hung out the amount he does here at websites that don't like me. Why's he here? I shouldn't have interacted with him so much on this thread. My bad.

Anonymous said...

Personally if I were you I would just ignore rightwing trolls(dirtbags) trying to infiltrate your blog. Or better yet just dump them. That's what I would do. I've lost my tolerance for intolerance and I just don't deal with people like that anymore. Have better ways to use my time. You can tell the trolls from normal people because the trolls consistently post looney tunes garbage and racist posts either because they are morons or because they are trying to intentionally discredit your blog or associate it with Neo-Nazis or garbage theories like 9/11 Holograms.

None of the left is covering the Wikileaks story. I don't see much chatter about it on DU, I don't see anything from Keith Olbermann, no comment from Obama, nothing from Randi Rhodes. Just don't see much on it all.

Now one caveat I would throw in is that now that I have actually seen the video I am a bit confused. It seems they definitely targeted civilians but I saw what appeared to be a couple of guy with rifles of some sort. I have to watch it again to be sure. But to be honest the video has me a bit confused. Not sure what I am looking at. And so I wonder if the reason it did not get greater coverage is because people are confused about what they are seeing. I guess I will have to watch it again. But it also might be because this is old news...it happened under Bush not Obama and so maybe the left doesn't feel a need to go after it.

As for 9/11, if I learn some new news about 9/11 then maybe you can make a new thread and I can put some stuff there. I don't really keep up with what is new regarding research into 9/11... i just know that the official story of 9/11 is a load of garbage and I feel a need to keep reminding people of that.

On the Theresa Duncan stuff I understand your frustration with people's obsession on that and I don't really have a ton of interest in it myself, but there seems to be something weird going on with the whole TD story. I suspect that at least one of the two was actually murdered. Can't really explain why i have those suspicions but i read a lot of the threads surrounding those two and there was U.S. military intelligence involved or some type of offshoot of military intelligence behind the scenes on the TD story. And there were also hints before the "suicides" that this entire thing was a hoax. At least according to some stuff DreamsEnd posted on a blog way back in the day before he purged everything he wrote. The TD story also had caused a huge exposure of fakes on Rigorous Intuition. Maybe "caused" isn't quite correct but the TD stuff was coincident and somewhat tied into a group of RI sanctioned fakers being exposed(some have returned). most of the fakers were busy spinning their usual "CIA abduction ops" theories regarding TD. I am one of those that believes Rigorous Intuition is not simply a blog run by some dude who wrote a book. That RI has an agenda and has been following one since the times it's members were screwing around in the U.S. elections on Democratic Underground. It is also interesting that during that same time TD was in the news, the CIA was indeed in the news for illegal renditions in foreign countries. So i have to wonder if behind the Theresa Duncan silliness there is actually a bigger story to be told. I'm kind of flying loose with the associations right now because i don't remember all of the details. More a feeling that there is more to the story from what i remember about what i read way back then. Maybe you should make a TD "dungeon" too to allow people to sound off on it.

socrates said...

Now you are saying it looks like two of the civilians wiped out were carrying rifles? Give me a break. No one has been saying that except for the lying military. There's been a handgun mentioned. But I doubt that even shows up on the video.

Now you are saying this might not be getting coverage because it's old news. Wow. This is as fresh a news story as there can be. The Pentagon lied. They covered this up. Now you are backtracking, almost saying it might not have been a war crime but that the people on the ground were heavily armed.

And now you're also pushing some crazy bull about Theresa Duncan and/or Blake being murdered. You suspect that as being the truth. Man, you're way out of line. I've changed my mind about providing any dungeons for you or anyone else. You're no better than Larry. You're just another conspiracy theory freak I could do without. Maybe I'll see what happens with donkeytale making blog entries and posting here. If he doesn't, there's no point in me allowing this kind of crap to fester. You're not fooling me.

Anonymous said...

I'm done here. And you wonder why this entire blog is a monologue to yourself? People actually have ideas other than the officially sanctioned ideas by Mr. "Socrates" who apparently knows everything. So now you have chased off the Neo-Nazi dirtbags you keep drawing to your blog and just about every one else who has ideas you don't like. The only official conspiracy theory allowed to be discussed here is your official conspiracy. It's your blog I guess. Have at it.

socrates said...

You're still not fooling me. Thanks for posting as anonymous, so your dumbass posts can't be deleted.

Disinfo is as disinfo does.

For all of Larry's flaws and whatnot, he has more sincerity in his pinkie than you do in your whole hand. I agree with next to nothing he posts. I do hope he takes the hint and goes away. I have been appalled by much of what he's written. But you, ha, you reek of paid disinfo.

You almost had me too until you started sounding like Mr. Pentagon with the Wikileaks story. Then you topped it off by saying in regards to Theresa Duncan and Jeremy Blake, "I suspect that at least one of the two was actually murdered."

I "suspect" you are one of the disinfo fockers who's been chasing me for years. You can take your 'looney tune', put in a pipe, and smoke it.

As for you saying this place is a monlogue, whatever. Whenever I've come up with a good entry, there have been plenty of responses. Blogs are like restaurants. You can open one, but most fail in regards to building up a customer base.

Have a nice life, anonymous coward. Though I "suspect" you'll be back at a future date to spin some more of your crapola.

Another thing. The proper phrase is to be intolerant of tolerance. I believe Marcuse coined that idea. He wrote a book called Repressive Tolerance. You need to get a better prescription for your reading glasses. I "suspect" you're having trouble reading from your military training manual. The blokes victimised by the Apaches were carrying rifles? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


I don't feel isolated one bit. Anyone can read through my 'conspiracy theory' and see I back it up, unlike you who goes by the name of anonymous. Just go back an entry or two and there's proof that intelligence is all over Facebook and other social network websites. Or check out this fabulous entry I made at DKos as No More Kos Hate.

(excerpt)U.S. Military Threatening World Peace and Economic Stability

There is a strange juxtaposition in the air as the U.S. Military propaganda machine both encourages their troops to astroturf pro-military ideology, while at the same time denying such people full access to all parts of the marketplace of ideas.

Air Force Releases 'Counter-Blog' Marching Orders


Shall I run down a link of how Cointelpro tried to drive MLK to suicide? Ok, here it is.


The FBI's Vendetta Against Martin Luther King, Jr. excerpted from the book The Lawless State The crimes of the U.S. Inteligence Agencies

by Morton Halperin, Jerry Berman, Robert Borosage, Christine Marwick
Penguin Books, 1976


(excerpt)Unknown to King or SCLC until later, the FBI, at the height of the public controversy, took its most distressing step. It mailed the "tapes" to the SCLC office in Atlanta with a covering letter urging King to commit suicide or face public revelation of the information on the tapes on the eve of the award ceremonies in Sweden. The letter said in part:

"King, there is only one thing left for you to do. You know what it is. You have just 34 days in which to do (this exact number has been selected for a specific reason, it has definite practical significance). You are done. There is but one way out for you. You better take it before your filthy fraudulent self is bared to the nation."



I have an inner strength that can never be bruised. As the Kos loooosers would say, "EPIC FAIL!"

Larry said...

Socrates---you say my posts are "flawed" but never refute them, not even ONCE. You say Im "RACIST" but failed to answer my questions and show me where I was racist. You didnt answer ONE question in my last post, nor did you refute ANYTHING I said about states right, slavery, Lincoln or the Civil War. When you continually bash people but CONSISTANTLY FAIL to refute anything, answer questions or directly respond to those very people---then that makes YOU the fraud!

Now will you answer my questions???

Question: Why do people demonize militias? If it wasnt for militias, we wouldnt have a country---for it was militias who fought the Revolutionary War.

2nd question: Were the militias of the 1770's terrorists too?? Cant wait for this answer.

Keep calling me "conspiracy freak" yet you dont address or refute one goddamned thing I say! Quite funny!

WHERE WAS I RACIST?????

Larry said...

"You can tell the trolls from normal people because the trolls consistently post looney tunes garbage and racist posts either because they are morons or because they are trying to intentionally discredit your blog or associate it with Neo-Nazis or garbage theories like 9/11 Holograms.

None of the left is covering the Wikileaks story. I don't see much chatter about it on DU, I don't see anything from Keith Olbermann, no comment from Obama, nothing from Randi Rhodes. Just don't see much on it all."

If we are "looney tunes" then it should be EASY to refute us right? But why is it that you NEVER do?

"As for 9/11, if I learn some new news about 9/11 then maybe you can make a new thread and I can put some stuff there. I don't really keep up with what is new regarding research into 9/11... i just know that the official story of 9/11 is a load of garbage and I feel a need to keep reminding people of that."

So youre a "right wing looney tune conspiracy freak"??? LOL. Isnt it funny how, when you or Socrates question an official story [you with 9-11 and Socrates with the JFK assassination] you both are educated, normal people simply asking questions and not believing in government lies and cover-ups----but when I question the government on their bullshit, then Im a "right wing conspiracy nut"---despite the fact that Socrates or you NEVER EVER refute anything I say.

By the way, where is TLNL-----still not back from hi gay pride march?

Larry said...

"I agree with next to nothing he posts. I do hope he takes the hint and goes away. I have been appalled by much of what he's written"

Because you cant refute it.

socrates said...

There's tons of propaganda circulating around the Wikileaks story. One guy possibly carrying a rifle is being spun as five guys with AK-47's. That war is hell and shit happens. That there's no need to discuss the Pentagon cover up. Or let's focus in on how this might show that video games cause violence. They very well may contribute to it. But this ain't no fricken academic exercise. We're talking war crimes. We're talking about American soldiers who need to go to prison for decades for their crimes against humanity.

The evil powers that be are basically waiting out news cycles. Pat Tillman got killed by his fellow soldiers. The Pentagon conered it up. Then they wait it out til the news cycle ends.

Without doubt the shooting at the van broke the rules of engagement. I believe the whole thing was a war crime. The people on the ground posed no threat. There's no proof they had broken any laws.

The US Military is composed of a bunch of murderous cowards. They like going with Apaches and drones. They don't need no stinking draft. A draft as donkeytale has claimed would bring these illegal wars to a halt. All the US is doing is increasing hatred against each and every one of us. Be careful where you plan on traveling. We're hated for good reasons. Obama shit the bed by not prosecuting the previous administration. This is what happens when you don't impeach Bush. This is what happens when propaganda is spewed that the US military is a good thing, that they are why we are so-called free.

It's this type of crap that allows an Alex Jones to increase the vitriole and compel mentally ill losers to commit violence. Just listen to that video I added to the top update. Alex Jones is an asshole. Though on the flip side, so is the US Military. They are causing an astronomical amount of more karmic damage than Alex Jones is. That's obvious.

socrates said...

Larry, you just don't get it. I really don't care what you think. Yet, that doesn't stop you from saying I keep responding to you, so I must care. I can't win. I've asked you to take a hike. Why are you here?

There was no need to bring in the Civil War over at TLNL's as an example of a time you allege was nowhere as bad as today's situation. And now you're peddling that it wasn't that bad back then. You go even further by seemingly supporting the Confederacy.

Militias did serve a decent purpose back in the day, as in how to combat the Brits. It's a whole other social reality at this point. Those militias of today are full of nutjobs. Survivalists. Those are the fockers who are into Alex Jones.

Dude, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. You and this other guy are caricatures of conspiracy theory freaks. I do think you are sincere in your freakness. I think this other guy is a disinfo troll. I'd rather blog here without both of you. But if I censor your posts, you call me Goebbels. I can't win.

I sincerely think you are a latent homosexual. People who talk homophobic like you, well, that's how the social-psychologists have you pinned. More than likely you are gay. Deal with it. I don't think TLNL is gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that. You confuse sensitivity for weakness.

As for you saying I haven't refuted any of your schtick, some things needn't be responded to, like most of your rants. Shoo.

Larry said...

No, you CAN win---by simply ANSWERING my questions---even if I dont AGREE with your answers. But the simple fact is-----you DO NOT answer my questions---at all---at ALL. THIS is what makes you the colossal FRAUD you are. You keep calling me a "conspiracy freak" yet you have YET to debunk ANYTHING I have said---EVER. You claimed I was racist-----WHERE WAS I RACIST? That's the THIRD time Ive asked that. Will I get an answer this time?

I "seem" to support the Confederacy? Jesus! Was you reading ANYTHING I said? I DO support the Confederacy! No "seem" about it! They were defending the Constitution!

Third or fourth time Ive said THIS too-------> The Constitution PERMITS secession! Do you get that or do you need flash cards? Lincoln freed NO slaves----the Emancipation Proclaimation was a political tool----nothing more, nothing less. How was the EP going to free slaves in the SOUTH if the SOUTH was not even acknowledging Lincoln OR the federal government as its authority??? GEESH!

Lincoln was a RACIST and he was PRO-slavery! That's documented FACT.

I can hear the Confederacy now saying:

"OK Mr. Lincoln, you are NOT our President [Jefferson Davis is], and we are not obeying the federal government. Ohhh, you issued a proclaimation to free slaves? Well, here you go! Here's the slaves you want! By all means, take them!"

You're hilarious!!

Larry said...

No, you CAN win---by simply ANSWERING my questions---even if I dont AGREE with your answers. But the simple fact is-----you DO NOT answer my questions---at all---at ALL. THIS is what makes you the colossal FRAUD you are. You keep calling me a "conspiracy freak" yet you have YET to debunk ANYTHING I have said---EVER. You claimed I was racist-----WHERE WAS I RACIST? That's the THIRD time Ive asked that. Will I get an answer this time?

I "seem" to support the Confederacy? Jesus! Was you reading ANYTHING I said? I DO support the Confederacy! No "seem" about it! They were defending the Constitution!

Third or fourth time Ive said THIS too-------> The Constitution PERMITS secession! Do you get that or do you need flash cards? Lincoln freed NO slaves----the Emancipation Proclaimation was a political tool----nothing more, nothing less. How was the EP going to free slaves in the SOUTH if the SOUTH was not even acknowledging Lincoln OR the federal government as its authority??? GEESH!

Lincoln was a RACIST and he was PRO-slavery! That's documented FACT.

I can hear the Confederacy now saying:

"OK Mr. Lincoln, you are NOT our President [Jefferson Davis is], and we are not obeying the federal government. Ohhh, you issued a proclaimation to free slaves? Well, here you go! Here's the slaves you want! By all means, take them!"

You're hilarious!!

socrates said...

Ok, you seem like you're Mr. pro state rights. So do you admit Al Gore should have been given some due process back in 2000 election? The Florida Supreme Court was still into counting every vote, making every vote count. The conservative controlled Federal Supreme Court shot down the state's rights.

Can I assume you are against slavery? Do you have any African-American friends? I kind of agree with you Lincoln was overrated. I don't agree with you that the North was going to allow slavery to continue. The slave trade was some of the sickest shit ever produced.

I find it difficult to believe a Confederate supporter could be legit, especially if they can't even how evil slavery was. I do concede that geography had more to do with the North being anti-slavery.But certain things could never be denied forever. Like suffrage. Civil Rights.

And that gets me thinking something else. Does everything have to be a debate club war with you? Ok, I'll drop the fraak part. But you're clearly a conspiracy theorist. You admit Alex Jones acts insane, emphasis perhaps on acting a la Hal Turner. I'm not talking about the basic definition of conspiracy. You know what I mean, Mr. Illuminati fighter.

I don't remember calling you a racist. I think I pgrased it as you going the race route. If you noticed one of my recent posts, I've taken fake lefties to town on that. A guy like you I'll assume is going to think every fricken law or whatnot is set in place for the benefit of minorities, women, gays, et al. I'm actually kind of tired of predictable debates like that. Have you anything to add on the Wikileaks story? I've admitted I am a conspiracy theorist when it comes to internet fakes. I smell a lot of them trying to bury this story. Perhaps a bulk of them are rah rah apple pie Uncle Sam rules whatever. That's not a war going on over in Iraq. It's the US blowing up people and buildings. It'slike an urban Vietnam War. It can't be won. If you're gonna pull shit like that, you have to try to be a peacemaker. The US military has proven that it has no morals and doesn't represent the American people. I'll base that last thought on the condition that things aren't being covered up. When Americans know what's really going on, they tend to do the right thing. We have a strong moral fibrem is what I'm saying, as long as we aren't getting played like what you probably refer to as sheople.

socrates said...

Sorry about spelling and typos in that last one. It's 4:30 am. I just watched this flick with Olivia DeHavilland called The Snake Pit. Pure brilliance. Done up in 1948, took major chances in exposing mental institutions as corrupt. I like blogging on stuff like that too. Not 24 hours 7 days a week of 9/11 and moon hoaxes and GW's a reptile. You know what I mean. I hope you and other's do. That's why I've often used the phrase tinfoil by association. I don't like that stuff. I'm not a fraud or paid disinfo, just a nobody blogger from Massachusetts.

Larry said...

"I don't remember calling you a racist."

Hmmmm.....

"I totally understand your anger and disappointment in Larry for going the racist route."

When did that happen?

"Ok, you seem like you're Mr. pro state rights. So do you admit Al Gore should have been given some due process back in 2000 election?"

Im against the electoral college. It should be determined by the popular vote. Gore had 500,000 more total votes than Bush----Gore should have won. A half a million more people voted for Gore!

"I kind of agree with you Lincoln was overrated."

When did I say Lincoln was overrated? I said he freed NO slaves and was a racist. I also believe he was one of our worst Presidents ever. Why issue a proclaimation to free slaves when most slaves are in the South---and the South has SECEDED from the Union already and are NOT listening to you and not acknowledging you as the President? What good will it do? And yet all the fucking history books say "Lincoln freed the slaves"-----UTTER BULLSHIT--CRAPOLA!!

I suggest you read books by Thomas DiLorenzo about Lincoln. You will learn the truth then.

socrates said...

Maybe some medication would help.

the_last_name_left said...

Hi - how do? I've missed a lot it seems. ;)

Gee - that Alex Jones vid is something! What a twit!

Interesting to read the various takes on his role through these comments. Whichever is right, it seems likely that suspicion and disillusionment about AJ is building amongst his audience. I hope so, at least. One must register to post comments now(at PR.IS.ON.PLAN).....I wonder how that's gone down with the freedom-freaks.

Just one thing for now - a question for Larry:

Why exactly did you choose to suggest I was at a gay pride march or something? Seems inescapable but to conclude you were intending it as a slur and an insult. You have issues, Larry - with homosexuality, obviously. Maybe you don't notice it but it's clear: your writing is littered with evidence of your obsession with cocks, bums and sucking mouths. Fair enough, but mixed-in with your clear distaste of homosexuality, it seems obvious it's causing you problems, Larry. Your latent homosexuality disgusts you, perhaps?

Relax?

Oh - and you'd do well to realise that your opinion does not a fact make.

socrates said...

Larry appears to be a latent homosexual. He's fixated on making homophobic remarks, and intellectuals have written that is a sign of it. I don't understand either, TLNL, why he feels the need to be so cruel. I sincerely believe he should find a therapist and come up with a medication plan. I don't mean that as a putdown. The man needs help.

Larry said...

"Fair enough, but mixed-in with your clear distaste of homosexuality, it seems obvious it's causing you problems, Larry. Your latent homosexuality disgusts you, perhaps?"

Yeah, ok, that's exactly why I did a story condemning Pastor Steve Anderson about wanting to kill homosexuals---youre exactly right! LOL

I always do stories defending homosexuals when I really "hate them". God, you two are twits!

So, where were you? A 2-week bed-in with Socrates??

Good way to avoid what I said in my posts Socrates---focusing on the homo line while ignoring the rest. Like I said, good way to avoid, but not original.

Larry said...

I decided to post it again since you ignored EVERY WORD of it:

"I don't remember calling you a racist."

Hmmmm.....

"I totally understand your anger and disappointment in Larry for going the racist route."

When did that happen?

"Ok, you seem like you're Mr. pro state rights. So do you admit Al Gore should have been given some due process back in 2000 election?"

Im against the electoral college. It should be determined by the popular vote. Gore had 500,000 more total votes than Bush----Gore should have won. A half a million more people voted for Gore!

"I kind of agree with you Lincoln was overrated."

When did I say Lincoln was overrated? I said he freed NO slaves and was a racist. I also believe he was one of our worst Presidents ever. Why issue a proclaimation to free slaves when most slaves are in the South---and the South has SECEDED from the Union already and are NOT listening to you and not acknowledging you as the President? What good will it do? And yet all the fucking history books say "Lincoln freed the slaves"-----UTTER BULLSHIT--CRAPOLA!!

I suggest you read books by Thomas DiLorenzo about Lincoln. You will learn the truth then.

socrates said...

Don't spam this blog. I'm done with you.

Larry said...

"Don't spam this blog. I'm done with you."

Translation: I cant refute the "nut" and the "conspiracy freak"

LOL

I LOVE it

the_last_name_left said...

Sorry to go off-topic a bit, but I can't resist this:

Larry is presently saying he doesn't agree with the elctoral college.

But here is Larry - trying to 'school' me on American some while back:

Larry: A Republic protects individual rights so as not to be under the tyranny of the majority. The power of the majority of the people is checked by limiting that power to electing representatives who are required to legislate with limits of overarching constitutional law which a simple majority cannot modify. Thats exactly what the founding fathers wanted. In a Republic, minority rights are protected by law. In a democracy, minorities have no rights. This is the prime example why there is an electoral college in elections, so minority populated states have a voice and power. If our elections were strictly a democracy, then it would be based on popular vote alone---therefore giving no voice to the losing side. If an election was 51-49% or 60-40%, the lesser of the two examples really never had a chance or a voice. In electoral college, the minority have a voice.

If you cant understand that, then please, pop in some school house rock and learn from some cartoons, which is about your learning level.

http://realtruthonline.blogspot.com/2009/08/arlen-specter-thinks-america-is.html


Notice - Larry was supporting the electoral college - "This is the prime example why there is an electoral college in elections, so minority populated states have a voice and power."

Yet here at DFQ2 he's saying he's against the electoral college.

Is this an example of Larry changing his mind? And is it an example of Larry finding the Constitution less than perfect? Oh my! What a result......

Larry said...

Well, that would seem contradictory since you didnt understand that my point was that electoral college in and of itself is not a bad thing, but when pollsters and politicians abuse that system by discarding over a half a million votes, then that's a problem. Kinda like the money system. Im not opposed to fiat money per se, but when bankers and the Fed abuse it by continually printing money out of thin air and creating massive debt and inflation, then that's a big problem---so therefore it should be done away with and the gold standard should be brought back.

When I say things originally, I forget sometimes that Im talking to morons, so it doesnt always kick in that I have to explain myself because most of the time when I speak, I speak while Im assuming you understand my point.

I forget who Im talking to.

socrates said...

Larry likes to copy and paste his own posts over and over again. That constitutes spam.

He expects me to pay heed to his admiration for the racist Confederacy. It's not gonna happen. Like I said, I don't really care what he thinks. Maybe if he didn't have such a foul disposition, the latent homoerotic problem he embarrassingly exhibits from time to time, etc., I'd interact with him more.

TLNL, you post whatever you want whenever you want to. I'm kind of winding down as a blogger. I'll probably never quit. But I'm definitely tired. It's too alienating, and the weather is getting nicer.

I don't mind off-topic. Off-topic can be better than on-topic. There was one kid posting here off-topic too much. It wasn't even that it was off-topic. It was the same shit over and over again, akin to the nutjob who wanks off of Theresa Duncan's ghost. I think he quit. An anonymous. Nearly every thread he wouldn't shut up about controlled demolition. Then I set up that one thread on Bedell and what'shisname, uhm Hopsicker. I told him post away on it there, that it'd be nice to read both of you having a civil debate over it, the opposite of Larry's deranged posting patterns. He disappeared from that thread only to return to others to spam his schtick.



The electoral college should go. One person, one vote would be better. The President is for the whole country, not pitting states against states.

Larry thinks the United States should be broken up. Yeah, like that's ever going to happen. Not.

He denies being a conspiracy theory freak, yet as shown in the National Wingnut Appreciation thread, he showcases links to Rense.com, Illuminati whatever domains, and David Dees, a Holocaust denier, not to mention a bunch of other crazy websites.

I'm not surprised Larry is often contradicting himself. You've done an excellent job, TLNL, in exposing him. He might only be one fruitcake, but he kind of represents thousands or many more nutjobs. I'm sorry I whined at your place to stop blogging about him. You blog whatever you want. I've missed your schtick, since you've taken some time off of late. But you have to do what you have to do. I'm learning myself how to wean from wasting too much time on the internet.


Larry's a Rense-bot. A lot of his ideas don't merit a response. He's obviously mentally ill. If he wasn't so anti-social, I might respond to him more. I've learned that lesson.

Real Truth Online said...

"He expects me to pay heed to his admiration for the racist Confederacy."

LINCOLN WAS RACIST! --and he LOVED slavery!

READ BOOKS!

"Larry thinks the United States should be broken up."

I said this--when????

"He denies being a conspiracy theory freak, yet as shown in the National Wingnut Appreciation thread, he showcases links to Rense.com, Illuminati whatever domains, and David Dees, a Holocaust denier, not to mention a bunch of other crazy websites."

LOL, and you havent refuted me ONCE!

"Larry likes to copy and paste his own posts over and over again. That constitutes spam."

Because you IGNORE my comments and ont address them!

"I'm not surprised Larry is often contradicting himself."

Name ONE time I did-----ONE. This is EXACTLY why you're "taking time off" [quite funny] because I DONT contradict myself and you dont have the ammunition to counter my arguments----this is EXACTLY why you IGNORE my posts and when I repeat them, you call it "spam"-----lol. Hilarious!

socrates said...

Dude, if you can't reword something and resort to copying your old posts over and over again, that's spam. The readers can decide for themselves. If I don't respond to something you write, it could be that it speaks for itself as stupidity, or I'm just tired of your stale act. By the way, it appears that you have a man crush on TLNL with your latent homosexuality. Problem is TLNL isn't gay, not that there's anything wrong with one being so. Plus, he's in Wales, and even if he did play on the same team, I'm sure he'd be looking for someone with a few extra brain cells than yourself.