I've been very curious what started the animosity between Dave and MajorFlaw/Ugog. I figured it out yesterday. The origination of the bad blood confirms that Fingerit supports rightwing hate radio and wanted to knock the effective activist down.
Bookstore Event Cancelled, Wingnut Urges Listeners to Harass Me
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Mark Levin's (buddy of Rush, sidekick of Hannity) book signing scheduled for December 1st in Ridgewood has been cancelled. Levin then spent 45 minutes engaging in a verbal tirade and urging his listeners to go harass me, rhetoric which is inviting not only very serious legal action tens of times more serious than what has already occurred but possible legitimate polic action as well. This cancellation came after one of Levin's wingnuts "Pete From Long Island" posted for several hours on Levin's website that I should be "coldcocked" but only after the "cameras are taken out first." But instead of denouncing Pete from Long Island, Levin makes Pete from LI his 2nd phone caller of the show.
Levin then argues that my "entire biography" should be posted online, including my address, phone number, places of work, etc... Although worded coyly, Levin is basically urging his listeners to go out there and act like brownshirts. You can hear the disturbing audio here. Basically, the audio is full of name calling and incitement. It's very low, even for a dirtbag like Levin....
what inspired people to plan to go to Bookends Saturday? Was it me? No. There were calls across the internet for action prior to yesterday by many people whom I do not know. What motivated people was righteous outrage at Levin, Boyce, and Hannity for trying to have someone arrested because they didn't like my politics and were afraid of a question they thought I was going to ask. Regardless of politics, this touched a raw nerve in people and rightly so. There's no defense for Boyce, Levin, and Hannity and they know it and their lawyers know it.
Third, there's a fine but firm line between a public forum and a private business. A private business that invites people to its store for a big event is not the same as some New York City law firm that has an employee doing legal related work. The law firm isn't inviting anyone to its place just as Levin isn't inviting anyone to go stand outside his studio while he's broadcasting. Nobody on this site has advocated going to any bookowner's house, Levin's house, Hannity's house, Levin's business office, Hannity's business office, Boyce's residence, etc... For Levin to advocate that his Insanitized skinhead and neo nazi thugs should somehow harass me at truly private places such as a workplace that is not a public forum or my home which is not open to public events is way beyond the pale....
Dave's tip jar:
again, sunlight is needed (399+ / 0-)
These KKK and brownshirt tactics of Levin and company have to be confronted head on.
I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007
Even Michael Bouldin gave Dave kudos.
Wow. (88+ / 0-)
Isn't it, like, illegal, to incite violence over the airwaves? That's sure what this sounds like.
Interesting, though, that media figures, who by their nature seek mass public exposure, are now recoiling from that public. Not that this says anything about the essential hollowness and depravity of wingnuttery, of course.
Good luck. Tipped and Rec'd.
Then the digital brownshirts started to show up.
bugscuffle: whoa dude, you're kinda obsessed.
That was recommended by fifteen usernames including MajorFlaw.
Then MajorFlaw: The diarist is at least as responsible (11+ / 1-)
for his predicament as Hannity/Levin are. He repeatedly chooses to escalate and fan the flames. There's nothing to be proud of here.
yep blame the rape victim (15+ / 0-)
for the rape, nice mentality.
shame on you
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:51:29 AM PDT
that is seriously f'ed up (15+ / 0-)
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Did you just compare yourself to a rape victim?
Pathetic.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:36 AM PDT
Guess You Never Heard Of Analogies, Huh? (5+ / 0-)
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What's really pathetic, is to read this diary and the comments, and then come in with he said he was raped. Now, that's pathetic!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:04:16 AM PDT
and you've never heard of appropriateness or (6+ / 0-)
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proportion, it seems.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:38 AM PDT
I Have, When I'm Being Fitted By A Tailor! (2+ / 0-)
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But, this is a Diary about confronting the Right-Wing.
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:22:19 AM PDT
The comparision is appropriate (4+ / 0-)
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The diarist was threatened with physical harm from a major media personality.
by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:08:57 AM PDT
probably (1+ / 0-)
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had he simply said " victim", that would be better. As I do agree with Dave, he is the victim in all of this. It was just the rape victim thing that some of us object to. Other than that, I totally agree with Dave.
by wishingwell on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:39:02 AM PDT
I agree with you (6+ / 0-)
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I was trying to show the mentality and yes there is no comparison between rape and what happened to me.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:44:03 AM PDT
You are not any sort of victim. (12+ / 3-)
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You chose the field of battle and you chose to engage. IIRC, the worst of it was that you spent about ten minutes speaking with some friendly police officers. Victim, huh? Get over yourself.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:54:51 AM PDT
Bad d0nut, Dave. (3+ / 0-)
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Kinda sorta looks like ratings abuse.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:09:33 AM PDT
I'm sure YOU think so. (1+ / 0-)
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Victim, huh? Get over yourself.
That's called an ad hominem attack with nothing of substance to back it up. Sure, he chose to engage - and he was alone, with no camera, no t-shirt, no sign, and stood politely on line - but he never actually got the chance to ask his question before the police were called, which is a draconian solution. He IS a victim in that regard, and I believe he will have his day in court.
As for you, I believe you will have another donut. You're earning them. You're also making it very, very clear what your real agenda is in this forum. Taste some more of your own medicine, netkopp.
by Randgrithr
seems an opinion, (5+ / 0-)
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not an attack; uprated.
by condoleaser on Tue Nov 27, 2007
Who is CondoLeaser? Lloyd Lachow, #2 UGOG
WhoIsCondo: Dailykos kop. Lost his license in Colorado for sexually assaulting a patient. Moved to Maryland to escape shame.
You weren't raped, Dude. (19+ / 8-)
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You chose to show up at a Hannity event and while there, stalked him with contextually trollish and obnoxious questions. They went overboard by calling the gendarmerie--which gave you the incident you wanted. Since then you have trashed any shot at a civil lawsuit by opening your big fucking mouth (legal term of art) all over the internets.
You are very much the master of your own fate here and you love being the center of attention. Don't further embarrass yourself by crying, "rape".
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:01:06 AM PDT
Appearing in a public forum (7+ / 0-)
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means you have to be able to handle questions from people who don't agree with you. And asking such questions is about as equivalent to "stalking" as his situation is to rape.
If you don't like draconian metaphor, don't use it.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:05:10 AM PDT
Well Looky Here, We Have An Expert On: (5+ / 0-)
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"contextually trollish and obnoxious!" Good go!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:07:31 AM PDT
I would defend them. (3+ / 0-)
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When someone incites others, as in:
I'm asking (admittedly selfishly) that thousands of leftists, progressives, centrists, liberals, and non right wing conservatives show up at Bookends (232 East Ridgewood Avenue) in Ridgewood, New Jersey (about 15 minutes from George Washington Bridge) on Saturday December 1st way before 1 p.m. for an opportunity to observe what the Republican Party's de facto main media propagandist Sean Hannity and his friends and audience are truly like. I am going by myself and perhaps a few other people will either accompany me directly or be there at my request. I'm not going as part of any known group so if other groups show up, they show up on their own volition.
They invite a stronger reaction. I wouldn't mind another d0nut on the above comment to enable TUs to discuss this further. This diarist does not deserve our sympathy.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:33:01 AM PDT
I don't want (5+ / 0-)
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nor need his sympathy
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:39:28 AM PDT
You obviously want someone's sympathy (0+ / 0-)
else why write about this here
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:09 AM PDT
How is Fingerit not a paid troll? This was the first time there was any bad blood between these people according to Fingerit's own words. In another thread from late 2008, MajorFlaw explained how Dave initially ticked him off in this specific diary.
not TRing this comment (6+ / 0-)
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b/c there's nothing to TR
But I do think it's a great idea that when threats are posted about you on a website and you are going to go to a public event, to have people watching or using my word observing.
If you read everything I post I urged nothing but peace.
Although I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be, I'm glad he didn't listen to people like you.
You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:38:56 AM PDT
Strangely enough, Michael Bouldin recommended the next idiotic troll post by Fingerit. Hmmm. Good old bait and switch from a fellow UGOG back in 2007.
You're quite a piece of work. (9+ / 2-)
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I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be
You got that right. Even mentioning Dr. King in this context is absurd.
You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge.
Got passive aggressive? Nope, not biting.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:50 AM PDT
users need to learn about TR .. (13+ / 0-)
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they are having a discussion. this is not a troll.
the irony is they are defending against the "brownshirts" by hiding comments.
OH IRONY!
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:56:10 AM PDT
"Stalking" is a personal attack. (9+ / 0-)
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You accused him of an unethical and criminal act. His actions do not meet either definition. Attending a public event in a place of business that has been advertised can not be considered stalking. Was the guy from Webb's campaign who Allen called "macaca" a stalker?
Furthermore, since when is "your big fucking mouth" a legal term of art?
Finally, he didn't cry "rape" and you know it. He used an inappropriate analogy, but spare me the PC gotcha. No reasonable person would conclude that he really intended to compare his experience to the trauma and dehumanization of being raped.
Here's a legal term of art for you: Give me a big fat fucking break!
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:53:15 AM PDT
"Stalking". (5+ / 0-)
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My Previous History With Hannity
Exposing Sean Hannity
NYC/LI Action Alert - "Meet" Sean Hannity Today
NEW Update + VIDEO - and yes I will sue
Why I MUST Be Public About This (BIG UPDATE)
But, of course
It's Not About Me
Sorry, the word fits.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:31:18 AM PDT
Sorry, no. (3+ / 0-)
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by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:55:39 AM PDT
wow, that is so logically brilliant (4+ / 0-)
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Call the police, some reporter at the NY Times has probably written at least 7 stories invoking the name Bill clinton or george Bush.
Must be a stalker.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:37:47 AM PDT
You are not a reporter, you are not employed by (4+ / 0-)
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any campaign and you do not represent any group. You are a guy who chooses to express his political opposition by calling RW talk shows and appearing at RW events. That part is fair enough, although I don't see its efficacy. But your fixation on Hannity--as demonstrated by your own diaries and comments--is more than that.
You got the response you wanted both there and here but those of us who've been around for a while recognize your stunts and self promotion for what they are. Bookmark this thread and reread it when your legal matter has been resolved. I always take the long view ;-)
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:53:26 AM PDT
How does giving a TR make one a patriot (or not)? (1+ / 0-)
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That was pretty random.
I'll tell you why I didn't give you a TR, though. It's because I don't want the comment to go hidden. I want it out where everyone can see it, along with my reply.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:34:38 AM PDT
I'd like it to be seen as well . . . (0+ / 0-)
preferably by TUs. Did you see the diarist's video yet?
Still want to adopt this one?
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:36:51 AM PDT
I had nothing to do with that guy (9+ / 0-)
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That's someone else, never met him,
the only time u see me on camera is with the 2 police officers.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:20 AM PDT
Oh. (3+ / 0-)
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I'd been thinking you were an Alex Jones nutjob for a while now. My apologies!
by twalling on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:41:03 AM PDT
ty for the apology (8+ / 0-)
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at least when shown evidence you follow it.
It'd be nice if the other guy, now being given the proof that I had nothing to do with that guy in the car or the guy filming the video, to do the same.
interestingly, it's the guy in the car who it could be argued tangently who caused a disturbance but you don't hear a peep from Hannity or Levin.
So why are they attacking the guy who didn't create any disturbance whatsoever and not saying a word about the wearechange guy?
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:37 AM PDT
Because although they say they do not (7+ / 0-)
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visit this site, their many followers and aides do and they know who you are, that you post diaries on this site and are very vocal about your political leanings, so they have a face to attack so to speak. That other guy is nothing to them unless he posts about the occurance and might actually have a following, like you have now.
I agree with you, I am tired of bowing down to the wingnuts and turning the other check everytime I am called a traitor. I feel that some on the left absolutely need to get down in the mud with the wingnuts. This is not a level playing field so why should we try our hardest to make it so? Often times the results of this pandering to the wingnuts makes us look soft-i.e soft on terror(and I know our fight is with obl, not terror). Let them throw the first punch, but respond with force. But I am a dem from the south, so fightin is in my blood.
by meatwad420 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:34:55 AM PDT
The diarist appears briefly in this video (6+ / 0-)
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It was not made by him. It was made by some 9/11 Truthout people who also attended, and he only found out about it after the fact. If you read the back diaries you would have known that.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:56 AM PDT
and additionally (5+ / 0-)
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Levin and Hannity have not attacked him even though he is the one who had a tussle with security with a camera in the face.
I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:45:34 AM PDT
I got the video from the diarist. (1+ / 0-)
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See.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:46:11 AM PDT
It's clear you didn't read the diary (7+ / 0-)
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or you would have known it wasn't his own video. He posted it after the fact.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:48:13 AM PDT
Yes I linked the video (3+ / 0-)
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which I found out after the fact existed.
Why?
Because sometimes people write diaries claiming to have been somewhere when they were not.
The video, and my presence in it, however brief and tangental, served as confirmation of my presence there.
Simple as that.
Again I had nothing to do with that guy and only learned about that video 2 days later and accidentally.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:49:16 AM PDT
Have you ever been raped, Dave? (9+ / 0-)
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I mean raped, dragged by some big hairy ape who is 100 pounds heavier than you, had your clothes torn off your body, punched and kicked until your bones are shattered, then forcibly violated by a foul mouthed, alcohol stenched animal violates you? Then left for dead near some trash dumpster until someone mercifully walks by? Unless you've experienced that, I don't think your analogy is close.
by tazz on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:05:53 AM PDT
no (7+ / 0-)
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I'm talking about the mentality and that's the best example I could come up with.
I'm not equating the two.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:33:59 AM PDT
maybe not the best metaphor (3+ / 0-)
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But the victim mentality is huge.
White average joe American claiming he is being victimized? Lets be serious. We all have our points to why we feel we're being screwed but for them to claim they're being discriminated against without any real reason for their white male-ness is so patently absurd it makes me think it's a way they're masking their own racism that still dwells inside of them. Seems like it's evolved from open racism to a form of open self-persecution. Very bizzare, makes me wonder if there's a psychological nomenclature for this sort of behavior.
by danger durden on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:26:58 AM PDT
Oh please... can you BE anymore melodramatic.. (6+ / 0-)
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about this? Keerist! The man simply made a metaphor, not the best, but for gawd's sake, why must you dip into a pail of shit like this to make your point? Your response is worse than his metaphor by a mile.
by Hornito on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:22:44 PM PDT
Standing Up To Right-Wing Thugs, Takes Courage. (9+ / 0-)
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Try it, sometime!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:16 AM PDT
The diarist asked a question and was (15+ / 0-)
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detained and questioned by the police. Are you seriously questioning whether he should be addressing this? He must absolutely address this.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:56:10 AM PDT
Um . . . (1+ / 0-)
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The diarist asked a question and was detained and questioned by the police.
That is what we lawyer critters call a persuasive statement of facts. As opposed to an objective statement of facts. Wasn't quite that simple.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:03:35 AM PDT
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