This is a cross-post from MyLeftWing. Basically AbbeysBooks warned a UGOG a few years back to disassociate himself from those operatives. MaryScott O'Connor made an appearance. She basically showed how clueless she is, that she is easily manipulated by those fake lefties sending her cash or otherwise kissing her mental illness booboos.
By the way, MSOC has deleted a diary in which she said she'd never accept money from political candidates. My theory on her is that she is making money off of her website. Whether she is a chump getting bird feed from the likes of pro-military whench Curmudgette or from prolific KosKop, KarmaFish and the few other irrelevant writers such as cleverguy82 and devilishadvocate, she has pretty much sealed her fate as being a Markos Alberto Moulitsas Zuniga guarddog. She banned Francis Holland. Scum like Mudge and fishstench are the worst of KosKops. They run someone's reputation into the ground, then they act all innocent saying they didn't want anyone banned.
More after the break. Get yourself a soda. This is gonna be a good one. {also, make sure to check out Francis' Truth About Kos website where yours truly shows once again how guerilla blogging is really done, unlike this fake shit pumped out by MattyJack and the other looooosers.}
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So MattyJack is acting out a fight with fellow operative Laurel S, who only Lord Byron believes is a female, and only because he has some serious issues with vaginas. [/digression]
It's this simple. I kicked KarmaFish's butt in debate. I troll busted his sorry 15,000 post ass in broad daylight. He admitted to going to MyLeftWingNut to "fight" with Francis Holland. Cue up what a fool believes by the Doobies.
And here we have MattyJack trying to rewrite history. He takes down the UGOG files, he puts them back up. He repeats the cycle. I, on the otherhand, never waver from outing cointelpro-like scum on the internet. MattyJack was talking trash about how many lurkers this place was getting. Uhm, it was because of me. I made a diary at DailyKos sticking up for Dave and Francis. There were a quick 200 of the cheesiest fake lefty responses one could imagine. In my defense, I always knew Daily Kos sucked. You chumps with your soap blox and Kos-centric dribble ought to be embarrassed.
Anyway, Francis' blog got a lot of new readers. I'm sure this place did too. But before MattyJack gets too excited, the truth is out there that he had zero to do with the outing of the UGOGs. The truth is out there that this guy is in all probability some kind of plant. Hey, when the #2 or three poster is Curmudgette her smelly self, you know this place is ultimately a joke.
Without further ado....
The Revenge of AbbeysBooks
Revenge is sweet. I hope MSOC doesn't mind a bit of "I told you so" from the lovely and talented Abbeysbooks.
Here's the link {below Dr. Evil} where Abbeysbooks explained in 2007 how she got run off of DailyKos for no good reason. Yeah, at this point we all know that the DailyKos sucks and is full of rightwing Democrats, middle of the road, selfish haters. But for those who ignore the UGOG files, you do so at your own peril. They prove how the internet is rigged. The two most arguably successful, rightwing, cash cows masquerading as progressives have been DKos and the Democratic Underground, and now we have the proof due to David Weintraub's trollbusting that they have been rigged! Sure that link is to an FSZ domain. Don't let that fool you. Dave got banned from FSZ after exposing the UGOGs, and this link was taken down by Jack for a chunk of time, when he claimed that FingerFlaw, Bottles/condoleaser, and Michael Bouldin are regular guys. Yeah, and Manny is just being Manny? Er, maybe a bad example. But you know what I friggen mean.
All I could do was laugh and laugh as I imagined blue vertigo, majorflaw,dadanation, andgarden, truth of angels, DMiller and all the rest of that cabal who stalk you to troll rate and get you banned
MSOC:
dadanation is a great friend of mine. NOT at ALL one of the haters. Don't know where you got the opposite idea, but just to clarify -- SO not the case.
It would be advisable for you to stay away from that group of trolls or you will sink with them. Many others are now on to them. And waiting.
Check out the UGOG files. Dadanation shows up in the first week or two.
FingerFlaw is the one who definitely needs to be investigated. He has acted precisely how one would expect a cointelpro agent to act like if they were dominating major forums. Fifth column.
The astroturfers are scrambling to make this whole thing seem like personal vendettas between anonymous usernames. Perhaps if one were to just go with Fingerit's attacks on Dave with his Lessons of Long Island diary, this ruse could continue. There one can see how Fingerit supported rightwingers like Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. They can see how the top Kos administrators punished Dave and gave this MajorFlaw of a human their support. Maybe even though Fingerit was clearly sidetracking the essence of Dave's essay, it could be seen as some kind of immature give and take.
I've been very curious what started the animosity between Dave and MajorFlaw/Ugog. I figured it out yesterday. The origination of the bad blood confirms that Fingerit supports rightwing hate radio and wanted to knock the effective activist down.
Mark Levin's (buddy of Rush, sidekick of Hannity) book signing scheduled for December 1st in Ridgewood has been cancelled. Levin then spent 45 minutes engaging in a verbal tirade and urging his listeners to go harass me, rhetoric which is inviting not only very serious legal action tens of times more serious than what has already occurred but possible legitimate polic action as well. This cancellation came after one of Levin's wingnuts "Pete From Long Island" posted for several hours on Levin's website that I should be "coldcocked" but only after the "cameras are taken out first." But instead of denouncing Pete from Long Island, Levin makes Pete from LI his 2nd phone caller of the show.
Levin then argues that my "entire biography" should be posted online, including my address, phone number, places of work, etc... Although worded coyly, Levin is basically urging his listeners to go out there and act like brownshirts. You can hear the disturbing audio here. Basically, the audio is full of name calling and incitement. It's very low, even for a dirtbag like Levin....
what inspired people to plan to go to Bookends Saturday? Was it me? No. There were calls across the internet for action prior to yesterday by many people whom I do not know. What motivated people was righteous outrage at Levin, Boyce, and Hannity for trying to have someone arrested because they didn't like my politics and were afraid of a question they thought I was going to ask. Regardless of politics, this touched a raw nerve in people and rightly so. There's no defense for Boyce, Levin, and Hannity and they know it and their lawyers know it.
Third, there's a fine but firm line between a public forum and a private business. A private business that invites people to its store for a big event is not the same as some New York City law firm that has an employee doing legal related work. The law firm isn't inviting anyone to its place just as Levin isn't inviting anyone to go stand outside his studio while he's broadcasting. Nobody on this site has advocated going to any bookowner's house, Levin's house, Hannity's house, Levin's business office, Hannity's business office, Boyce's residence, etc... For Levin to advocate that his Insanitized skinhead and neo nazi thugs should somehow harass me at truly private places such as a workplace that is not a public forum or my home which is not open to public events is way beyond the pale....
Dave's tip jar:
again, sunlight is needed (399+ / 0-) These KKK and brownshirt tactics of Levin and company have to be confronted head on.
I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007
Even Michael Bouldin gave Dave kudos.
Wow. (88+ / 0-) Isn't it, like, illegal, to incite violence over the airwaves? That's sure what this sounds like.
Interesting, though, that media figures, who by their nature seek mass public exposure, are now recoiling from that public. Not that this says anything about the essential hollowness and depravity of wingnuttery, of course.
Good luck. Tipped and Rec'd.
Then the digital brownshirts started to show up.
bugscuffle: whoa dude, you're kinda obsessed.
That was recommended by fifteen usernames including MajorFlaw.
Then MajorFlaw: The diarist is at least as responsible (11+ / 1-) for his predicament as Hannity/Levin are. He repeatedly chooses to escalate and fan the flames. There's nothing to be proud of here.
yep blame the rape victim (15+ / 0-) for the rape, nice mentality. shame on you
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:51:29 AM PDT
that is seriously f'ed up (15+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, bustacap, mcfly, BWasikIUgrad, DMiller, Cat Nerd, MajorFlaw, tvb, Over the Edge, tazz, balancedscales, bandersnatch, antoniomachado, MyOwnClone, heywho}
Did you just compare yourself to a rape victim? Pathetic. by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:36 AM PDT
Guess You Never Heard Of Analogies, Huh? (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Karen Wehrstein, mrkvica, homogenius, danger durden, davefromqueens}
What's really pathetic, is to read this diary and the comments, and then come in with he said he was raped. Now, that's pathetic! by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:04:16 AM PDT
and you've never heard of appropriateness or (6+ / 0-) {Recommended by: Cat Nerd, MajorFlaw, tazz, balancedscales, bandersnatch, MyOwnClone}
proportion, it seems. by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:38 AM PDT
I Have, When I'm Being Fitted By A Tailor! (2+ / 0-) Recommended by:{homogenius, davefromqueens}
But, this is a Diary about confronting the Right-Wing. by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:22:19 AM PDT
The comparision is appropriate (4+ / 0-) Recommended by: {mrkvica, soros, davefromqueens, Ferrofluid}
The diarist was threatened with physical harm from a major media personality. by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:08:57 AM PDT
probably (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {leonard145b}
had he simply said " victim", that would be better. As I do agree with Dave, he is the victim in all of this. It was just the rape victim thing that some of us object to. Other than that, I totally agree with Dave. by wishingwell on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:39:02 AM PDT
I agree with you (6+ / 0-) Recommended by: {wishingwell, brenda, imabluemerkin, leonard145b, sima, gsenski}
I was trying to show the mentality and yes there is no comparison between rape and what happened to me. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:44:03 AM PDT
You are not any sort of victim. (12+ / 3-) Recommended by: {Sui Juris, Stampy51, i love coffee, DMiller, Cat Nerd, Over the Edge, kestrel9000, KenBee, balancedscales, condoleaser, blue vertigo, antoniomachado} Hidden by: {brenda, davefromqueens, Randgrithr}
You chose the field of battle and you chose to engage. IIRC, the worst of it was that you spent about ten minutes speaking with some friendly police officers. Victim, huh? Get over yourself. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:54:51 AM PDT
Kinda sorta looks like ratings abuse. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:09:33 AM PDT
I'm sure YOU think so. (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {tony the American Mutt}
Victim, huh? Get over yourself.
That's called an ad hominem attack with nothing of substance to back it up. Sure, he chose to engage - and he was alone, with no camera, no t-shirt, no sign, and stood politely on line - but he never actually got the chance to ask his question before the police were called, which is a draconian solution. He IS a victim in that regard, and I believe he will have his day in court.
As for you, I believe you will have another donut. You're earning them. You're also making it very, very clear what your real agenda is in this forum. Taste some more of your own medicine, netkopp. by Randgrithr
not an attack; uprated. by condoleaser on Tue Nov 27, 2007
Who is CondoLeaser? Lloyd Lachow, #2 UGOG
WhoIsCondo: Dailykos kop. Lost his license in Colorado for sexually assaulting a patient. Moved to Maryland to escape shame.
You weren't raped, Dude. (19+ / 8-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Sui Juris, i love coffee, Samulayo, mcfly, BWasikIUgrad, DMiller, Cat Nerd, tvb, Over the Edge, tazz, balancedscales, gatorcog, blue vertigo, Azdak, chick ghandil, bandersnatch, antoniomachado, heywho} Hidden by: {varro, Karen Wehrstein, homogenius, soros, oibme, libertyisliberal, davefromqueens, leonard145b}
You chose to show up at a Hannity event and while there, stalked him with contextually trollish and obnoxious questions. They went overboard by calling the gendarmerie--which gave you the incident you wanted. Since then you have trashed any shot at a civil lawsuit by opening your big fucking mouth (legal term of art) all over the internets.
You are very much the master of your own fate here and you love being the center of attention. Don't further embarrass yourself by crying, "rape". by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:01:06 AM PDT
Appearing in a public forum (7+ / 0-) Recommended by: {wishingwell, mrkvica, homogenius, Tonedevil, danger durden, tommymet, leonard145b}
means you have to be able to handle questions from people who don't agree with you. And asking such questions is about as equivalent to "stalking" as his situation is to rape.
If you don't like draconian metaphor, don't use it. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:05:10 AM PDT
Well Looky Here, We Have An Expert On: (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: {wishingwell, homogenius, Tonedevil, tommymet, Randgrithr}
"contextually trollish and obnoxious!" Good go! by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:07:31 AM PDT
I would defend them. (3+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Over the Edge, antoniomachado}
When someone incites others, as in:
I'm asking (admittedly selfishly) that thousands of leftists, progressives, centrists, liberals, and non right wing conservatives show up at Bookends (232 East Ridgewood Avenue) in Ridgewood, New Jersey (about 15 minutes from George Washington Bridge) on Saturday December 1st way before 1 p.m. for an opportunity to observe what the Republican Party's de facto main media propagandist Sean Hannity and his friends and audience are truly like. I am going by myself and perhaps a few other people will either accompany me directly or be there at my request. I'm not going as part of any known group so if other groups show up, they show up on their own volition.
They invite a stronger reaction. I wouldn't mind another d0nut on the above comment to enable TUs to discuss this further. This diarist does not deserve our sympathy. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:33:01 AM PDT
nor need his sympathy by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:39:28 AM PDT
You obviously want someone's sympathy (0+ / 0-) else why write about this here by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:09 AM PDT
How is Fingerit not a paid troll? This was the first time there was any bad blood between these people according to Fingerit's own words. In another thread from late 2008, MajorFlaw explained how Dave initially ticked him off in this specific diary.
not TRing this comment (6+ / 0-) Recommended by: {tikkun, wishingwell, mrkvica, homogenius, reflectionsv37, arlene}
b/c there's nothing to TR
But I do think it's a great idea that when threats are posted about you on a website and you are going to go to a public event, to have people watching or using my word observing.
If you read everything I post I urged nothing but peace.
Although I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be, I'm glad he didn't listen to people like you.
You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:38:56 AM PDT
Strangely enough, Michael Bouldin recommended the next idiotic troll post by Fingerit. Hmmm. Good old bait and switch from a fellow UGOG back in 2007.
You're quite a piece of work. (9+ / 2-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, bustacap, Stampy51, DMiller, Over the Edge, MBNYC, TastyCurry, bandersnatch, antoniomachado} Hidden by: {Karen Wehrstein, Randgrithr}
I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be
You got that right. Even mentioning Dr. King in this context is absurd.
You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge.
Got passive aggressive? Nope, not biting. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:50 AM PDT
users need to learn about TR .. (13+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Sui Juris, bustacap, DMiller, Cat Nerd, MajorFlaw, Over the Edge, KenBee, balancedscales, Pager, TastyCurry, bandersnatch, antoniomachado}
they are having a discussion. this is not a troll. the irony is they are defending against the "brownshirts" by hiding comments. OH IRONY! by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:56:10 AM PDT
"Stalking" is a personal attack. (9+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Hornito, mrkvica, soros, Fabian, reflectionsv37, davefromqueens, leonard145b, kissydee, meatwad420}
You accused him of an unethical and criminal act. His actions do not meet either definition. Attending a public event in a place of business that has been advertised can not be considered stalking. Was the guy from Webb's campaign who Allen called "macaca" a stalker?
Furthermore, since when is "your big fucking mouth" a legal term of art?
Finally, he didn't cry "rape" and you know it. He used an inappropriate analogy, but spare me the PC gotcha. No reasonable person would conclude that he really intended to compare his experience to the trauma and dehumanization of being raped.
Here's a legal term of art for you: Give me a big fat fucking break! by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:53:15 AM PDT
"Stalking". (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Over the Edge, balancedscales, antoniomachado, LarchmontFritz}
Sorry, the word fits. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:31:18 AM PDT
Sorry, no. (3+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Fabian, reflectionsv37, Randgrithr} by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:55:39 AM PDT
wow, that is so logically brilliant (4+ / 0-) Recommended by: {soros, Fabian, reflectionsv37, Randgrithr}
Call the police, some reporter at the NY Times has probably written at least 7 stories invoking the name Bill clinton or george Bush.
Must be a stalker. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:37:47 AM PDT
You are not a reporter, you are not employed by (4+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Cat Nerd, Over the Edge, antoniomachado}
any campaign and you do not represent any group. You are a guy who chooses to express his political opposition by calling RW talk shows and appearing at RW events. That part is fair enough, although I don't see its efficacy. But your fixation on Hannity--as demonstrated by your own diaries and comments--is more than that.
You got the response you wanted both there and here but those of us who've been around for a while recognize your stunts and self promotion for what they are. Bookmark this thread and reread it when your legal matter has been resolved. I always take the long view ;-) by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:53:26 AM PDT
How does giving a TR make one a patriot (or not)? (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Tonedevil}
That was pretty random.
I'll tell you why I didn't give you a TR, though. It's because I don't want the comment to go hidden. I want it out where everyone can see it, along with my reply. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:34:38 AM PDT
I'd like it to be seen as well . . . (0+ / 0-) preferably by TUs. Did you see the diarist's video yet?
Still want to adopt this one? by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:36:51 AM PDT
I had nothing to do with that guy (9+ / 0-) Recommended by: {tikkun, wishingwell, mrkvica, catfood, reflectionsv37, danger durden, 417els, leonard145b, Randgrithr}
That's someone else, never met him,
the only time u see me on camera is with the 2 police officers. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:20 AM PDT
I'd been thinking you were an Alex Jones nutjob for a while now. My apologies! by twalling on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:41:03 AM PDT
ty for the apology (8+ / 0-) Recommended by: {wishingwell, reflectionsv37, twalling, danger durden, 417els, leonard145b, Randgrithr, meatwad420}
at least when shown evidence you follow it.
It'd be nice if the other guy, now being given the proof that I had nothing to do with that guy in the car or the guy filming the video, to do the same.
interestingly, it's the guy in the car who it could be argued tangently who caused a disturbance but you don't hear a peep from Hannity or Levin.
So why are they attacking the guy who didn't create any disturbance whatsoever and not saying a word about the wearechange guy? by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:37 AM PDT
Because although they say they do not (7+ / 0-) Recommended by: {wishingwell, homogenius, Fabian, reflectionsv37, danger durden, imabluemerkin, davefromqueens}
visit this site, their many followers and aides do and they know who you are, that you post diaries on this site and are very vocal about your political leanings, so they have a face to attack so to speak. That other guy is nothing to them unless he posts about the occurance and might actually have a following, like you have now.
I agree with you, I am tired of bowing down to the wingnuts and turning the other check everytime I am called a traitor. I feel that some on the left absolutely need to get down in the mud with the wingnuts. This is not a level playing field so why should we try our hardest to make it so? Often times the results of this pandering to the wingnuts makes us look soft-i.e soft on terror(and I know our fight is with obl, not terror). Let them throw the first punch, but respond with force. But I am a dem from the south, so fightin is in my blood. by meatwad420 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:34:55 AM PDT
The diarist appears briefly in this video (6+ / 0-) Recommended by: {wishingwell, mrkvica, homogenius, reflectionsv37, davefromqueens, Independant Man}
It was not made by him. It was made by some 9/11 Truthout people who also attended, and he only found out about it after the fact. If you read the back diaries you would have known that. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:56 AM PDT
Levin and Hannity have not attacked him even though he is the one who had a tussle with security with a camera in the face.
I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:45:34 AM PDT
I got the video from the diarist. (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Over the Edge}
See. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:46:11 AM PDT
It's clear you didn't read the diary (7+ / 0-) Recommended by: {wishingwell, mrkvica, homogenius, soros, Tonedevil, reflectionsv37, Independant Man}
or you would have known it wasn't his own video. He posted it after the fact. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:48:13 AM PDT
Yes I linked the video (3+ / 0-) Recommended by: {homogenius, Randgrithr, gsenski}
which I found out after the fact existed.
Why?
Because sometimes people write diaries claiming to have been somewhere when they were not.
The video, and my presence in it, however brief and tangental, served as confirmation of my presence there.
Simple as that.
Again I had nothing to do with that guy and only learned about that video 2 days later and accidentally. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:49:16 AM PDT
Have you ever been raped, Dave? (9+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Sui Juris, bustacap, i love coffee, MajorFlaw, tvb, Over the Edge, balancedscales, Pager, drmah}
I mean raped, dragged by some big hairy ape who is 100 pounds heavier than you, had your clothes torn off your body, punched and kicked until your bones are shattered, then forcibly violated by a foul mouthed, alcohol stenched animal violates you? Then left for dead near some trash dumpster until someone mercifully walks by? Unless you've experienced that, I don't think your analogy is close. by tazz on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:05:53 AM PDT
no (7+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Hornito, mrkvica, brenda, danger durden, gsenski, Pris from LA, meatwad420}
I'm talking about the mentality and that's the best example I could come up with.
I'm not equating the two. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:33:59 AM PDT
maybe not the best metaphor (3+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Hornito, balancedscales, leonard145b}
But the victim mentality is huge.
White average joe American claiming he is being victimized? Lets be serious. We all have our points to why we feel we're being screwed but for them to claim they're being discriminated against without any real reason for their white male-ness is so patently absurd it makes me think it's a way they're masking their own racism that still dwells inside of them. Seems like it's evolved from open racism to a form of open self-persecution. Very bizzare, makes me wonder if there's a psychological nomenclature for this sort of behavior. by danger durden on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:26:58 AM PDT
Oh please... can you BE anymore melodramatic.. (6+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Karen Wehrstein, mrkvica, reflectionsv37, JFinNe, davefromqueens, leonard145b}
about this? Keerist! The man simply made a metaphor, not the best, but for gawd's sake, why must you dip into a pail of shit like this to make your point? Your response is worse than his metaphor by a mile. by Hornito on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:22:44 PM PDT
Standing Up To Right-Wing Thugs, Takes Courage. (9+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Hornito, Karen Wehrstein, wishingwell, mrkvica, homogenius, oibme, donnamarie, Pris from LA, meatwad420}
Try it, sometime! by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:16 AM PDT
The diarist asked a question and was (15+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Hornito, Karen Wehrstein, wishingwell, mrkvica, soros, reflectionsv37, tommymet, 417els, arlene, Silent Lurker, donnamarie, davefromqueens, leonard145b, Pris from LA, Independant Man}
detained and questioned by the police. Are you seriously questioning whether he should be addressing this? He must absolutely address this. by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:56:10 AM PDT
Um . . . (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Over the Edge}
The diarist asked a question and was detained and questioned by the police.
That is what we lawyer critters call a persuasive statement of facts. As opposed to an objective statement of facts. Wasn't quite that simple. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:03:35 AM PDT
Well, color me stupid, but what I described (9+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Hornito, wishingwell, Tonedevil, danger durden, tommymet, donnamarie, davefromqueens, leonard145b, Pris from LA}
is what the diarist said happened. Question, detained, questioned by police. by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:31 AM PDT
{to MajorFlaw}
good thing we don't rely on u for legal counsel (16+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Hornito, Karen Wehrstein, wishingwell, mrkvica, homogenius, adigal, maybeeso in michigan, Tonedevil, reflectionsv37, danger durden, tommymet, Lashe, donnamarie, leonard145b, Randgrithr, Pris from LA}
a real good thing by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:11:45 AM PDT
Who offered? (3+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Sui Juris, Over the Edge, antoniomachado}
You think I need this kind of shit? Really, when the smoke clears let's see what you get out of it. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:16:46 AM PDT
I don't think that's the point. (6+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Hornito, wishingwell, mrkvica, davefromqueens, Randgrithr, meatwad420}
I think he's not out to get money primarily, I think he's out to get a wee bit of justice in a country where thuggish bastards still dominate. by Pris from LA on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:55 AM PDT
and if he had read the end of the diary, I basically have given both chickenhawks a full way out because it's more about justice than money. However, I have no problem having them put on a witness stand or called for a deposition and having them torn apart for their lies and thuggery. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:49:28 AM PDT
Really? (4+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Cat Nerd, Over the Edge, antoniomachado}
How do you define justice? My version doesn't include frivolous lawsuits and stalking RW figures. His intentions may be honorable but his approach is not part of any solution. I'm just taking the opportunity to disassociate myself from him and his actions. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:58:23 AM PDT
First, none has been filed yet. And since my SOL runs a year, don't call a lawsuit frivolous when there is none.
Second, I've only sued someone once before and trust me, you couldn't have more compelling facts and evidence than what I had/have. (Not discussing this so don't ask.)
Third, I know the elements of false imprisonment in the state of NY and they match up like a tee to what Boyce did.
And guess what? Their lawyers know it too which is why they are losing their minds over me. Why would he spend 40 minutes of his nationally syndicated show yesterday on me otherwise?
I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year. by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:10:16 AM PDT
I think you're getting your rocks off being sanctimonious and contrarian. If you only wanted to "disassociate [yourself] from him and his actions", you would have posted a reasoned rebuttle and walked away.
Sorry, man, but you're jonesing for this shit big time. Mebbe you should think about cutting back on the caffeine. by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:02:48 AM PDT
WHY WERE THESE OTHER "PEOPLE" ATTACKING HIM? WHY WERE THEY MAKING HIM OUT TO BE SOME OBSESSED, DRAMA QUEEN/KING LOOKING FOR 15 MINUTES OF FAME? FINGERIT, SUE ME FOR THINKING YOU ARE COINTELPRO. YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON, IN MY HONEST OPINION. YOU CAME AFTER ME FOR MY DIARIES AS PREPOSTERICITY. YOU GOT ME BANNED FOR NO GOOD REASON FOR TELLING TRUTHS ABOUT BRETT KIMBERLIN AND LARISA ALEXANDROVNA. NOW I SEE HOW YOU WERE AFFILIATED WITH THAT ELECTION INTEGRITY CROWD. THE GIG'S UP. YOU COULD EVEN GET THE SPEEDWAY BOMBER, MR. PROLIFIC JAILHOUSE LAWYER, TO HELP YOU FILE THE CASE. BUT GUESS WHAT? NO ONE CAN BE SUCCESSFULLY SUED FOR SLANDER IF IT'S THE TRUTH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE JUDGE WOULD THINK OF YOUR UGOG FILES?
Why is this on the rec list? Do this guy's personal ambitions really matter all that much to dKos? by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:12:30 AM PDT
Sadly, you don't get it (32+ / 0-) The hate-mongering by the right continues because NO ONE stands up to them. DFQ is standing up. And rightly so. by donnamarie on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:23:49 AM PDT
uh, yeah (4+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, i love coffee, Cat Nerd, MajorFlaw}
He's really standing up to them and making it all go away with imaginary legal claims.
Dude's tilting at windmills, and you're standing there yelling "slay the dragon!"
Great job. by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:47:47 AM PDT
why you thought that qualified as a troll. I really am interested. by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:12:17 AM PDT
Personal attack n/t (7+ / 0-) Recommended by: {mrkvica, maybeeso in michigan, proudprogressiveCA, danger durden, BlueInARedState, Randgrithr, Pris from LA} by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:18:07 AM PDT
that really is ridiculous (8+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Stampy51, Cat Nerd, MajorFlaw, tvb, Over the Edge, Azdak, bandersnatch}
there's a gross amount of clueless threading through the entire story.
But wait, was me calling your TR'ing ridiculous a personal attack, too? Oh, noes. There goes the internets.
Christ on a pogo stick, I'm sometimes appalled by my fellow Kossacks. by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:35:59 AM PDT
I don't interpret your calling my TR'ing ridiculous a personal attack, because it refers to an action of mine, not my worth or qualities as a person.
However you called multiple people on this comment thread "clueless," which does refer to their qualities as people, and that's a personal attack.
It's a simple distinction and the one I always use when [deciding] whether to troll rate. by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:17 AM PDT
clueless refers to a state of mind (11+ / 1-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Sui Juris, Feanor, bustacap, aitchdee, DMiller, Prison4Bushco, MajorFlaw, tvb, Over the Edge, chick ghandil} Hidden by: {Karen Wehrstein}
not to your person
stop trying to hide comments and censure debate.
it is the last refuge of the weak minded.
is that a personal attack as well? it could be interpreted that i called you weak minded due to your tendency to attempt to censor posts you disagree with. by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:31 AM PDT
She alone does not have the ability (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {homogenius}
to censor posts. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:01:23 AM PDT
"attempt to censor post" (4+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Prison4Bushco, MajorFlaw, Over the Edge}
and you two should get a room. by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:01:09 AM PDT
is something that the forum does automatically after four troll ratings. Read the FAQ. Indicating that you think a comment is troll-worthy is not an attempt to censor, and the comments are still visible to trusted users.
I don't know Karen, and I'm quite happily married, but thank you for the gratuitous and insulting inference that we have some sort of relationship beyond agreeing that you're being obnoxious. It only serves to confirm that observation. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:49:03 AM PDT
Yes, "weakminded" is a personal attack n/t (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {mrkvica} by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:50:53 AM PDT
Man, that is one ugly d0nut. (4+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Stampy51, DMiller, Over the Edge}
If I hadn't lost TU upthread I'd drop one for ratings abuse. Uprated. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:28:16 AM PDT
Ad hominems with no substance behind them (2+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Karen Wehrstein, homogenius}
If that's not trolling I don't know what is. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:23 AM PDT
Serves you right, troll. n/t (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Randgrithr} by Pris from LA on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:50:25 AM PDT
Now that isn't very neighborly. (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, aitchdee, DMiller, Prison4Bushco, Over the Edge}
It appears that some folk have been waiting to catch me unarmed. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:55:03 AM PDT
Heh. (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, aitchdee, DMiller, MajorFlaw, Over the Edge}
I note a high correlation between the abuse of troll rating and this series of diaries.
Common thread of cluelessness?
Just maybe. by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:21:02 AM PDT
I didn't have to wait at all (0+ / 0-)
You did it to yourself. Have I made that clear? Let me say it again: you did it to yourself.
Enjoy. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:59:24 AM PDT
You'd be one of the "folk" in question. (2+ / 0-) Recommended by: {DMiller, Over the Edge}
Enjoy it while you can. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:03:33 AM PDT
That sounds like a threat (0+ / 0-)
Like I said, you did it to yourself - and I am sure you will again, from the sound of things, because it's clear there are some things you're incapable of learning.
And while frankly you don't matter to me worth a sideways damn, I do enjoy it to the degree that it's great to see a netkopp being told he's off the case and to turn in his gun and badge. The system is fair, even if you're not. You'll get yours - and it probably won't even have to be from me, which is the best part. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:07:39 AM PDT
I'm not sure what facts you are looking at. (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, aitchdee, DMiller, Over the Edge, blue vertigo}
I've picked up 5-7 d0nuts here--which has temporarily turned off my TU. The "while you can" part refers to its imminent return and nothing else. Not one of my comments here has been hidden and each received more Recs than d0nuts thus I do not appear headed towards the autoban. I guess you're used to settling for small victories. Enjoy it. by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:19:00 AM PDT
You earned everyone of those TR's too (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Randgrithr} by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:29:38 AM PDT
I'm afraid we're gonna disagree about that, Ma'am (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, aitchdee, DMiller, Over the Edge, blue vertigo} by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:34:04 AM PDT
disgusting (2+ / 0-) Recommended by: {MajorFlaw, Over the Edge} nt by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:49:10 PM PDT
The "victory" I'm "settling" for (0+ / 0-) is exactly proportional to the amount of ego you have invested in this argument, and that is clearly not small given the sheer amount of energy you've devoted to fomenting angst, insult and pointless argument in this and other threads.
You're the one looking for "victories". I am merely rejoicing in the enactment of very real justice. There is a difference - something you have yet to learn; which is a great deal of the problem, but it's YOUR problem. "The abyss also looks into you", to quote a phrase.
So you can take this and turn it into a personal vendetta, or you can actually take a step back and consider what you yourself are doing wrong. I don't really care which. One will eventually get you autobanned, and the other won't. It would be nice to see you making some sort of attempt to contribute to the community, but especially after what I've seen here today from you, I'm not holding my breath. by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:36:30 AM PDT
blech! (3+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, MajorFlaw, Over the Edge}
Some of the people replying to you here are starting to devolve into Usenet territory: petulant, retaliatory and nose-wrinklingly childish--maybe you better scram while the scamming's good.
FWIW, I suspect you're right about this whole situation; while it's probably not worth your bothering with, I've appreciated your input.
God bless our tinfoil hearts. by aitchdee on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:48:54 PM PDT
By some reckoning, wouldn't (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {MajorFlaw}
calling you a troll be a personal attack and worthy of a donut? by Over the Edge on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:48:16 PM PDT
I would think so. (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Over the Edge}
My TU is back on so I could drop a d0nut myself but as it was me he called a "troll" I oughta leave it to others. by MajorFlaw on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 07:33:07 AM PDT
don't tase me bro (5+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Sui Juris, aitchdee, MajorFlaw, Over the Edge, bandersnatch}
Is there much difference between DFQ's antics and the don't tase me bro guy (although he hasn't wrestled with cops yet)
Nobody likes the grandstander at any event. The person who comes to "tell you a question." Putting these diaries as the #1 recommended demeans this site. It looks like a 9th grader's antics against a rival clique, or worse, like the freepers. by chick ghandil on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:27:45 AM PDT
Remember above how Bouldin {MBNYC} gave contradictory rates, like a bait and switch. In the UGOG files, they talked about throwing people off the scentg this way. Abbeysbooks believes that Blu Vertigo might be Lauren S from the FSZ.
No, there are several differences. (2+ / 0-) Recommended by: {blue vertigo, davefromqueens}
The don't tase me bro guy refused to stop talking, was asked to leave by a legitimate authority, and didn't leave. DFQ was never asked to leave by the store manager, but agreed to after it was all over. The person who called 911 had no standing to do so. by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:11:51 AM PDT
This is sort of a On The Road with Dave (18+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Karen Wehrstein, mrkvica, homogenius, adigal, rapala, maybeeso in michigan, twalling, Rogneid, proudprogressiveCA, tommymet, arlene, libertyisliberal, donnamarie, MKinTN, HoosierDeb, Pris from LA, weaponsofmassdeception, meatwad420}
ongoing series. He is having quite serious fun with Faux guys, and I, for one, am enjoying the trip. by JFinNe on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:25:22 AM PDT
With the way soapblox software works, posts underneath each other don't necessarily mean they are for one another. But I think folks should be able to get the gist of how this thread went. When in doubt, hit the [parent] button.
You must have missed the entire thing (13+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Mountain Don, bustacap, homogenius, rapala, maybeeso in michigan, proudprogressiveCA, tommymet, Lashe, donnamarie, blue vertigo, davefromqueens, Universal, Pris from LA}
He went to a Mark Levin book signing to ask him a question. Hannity's manager called the police - they were in a "No Question Zone" obviously. Dave is considering legal action against them for various reasons. Levin is losing his mind, and he is upping the ante by calling on his listeners to harass Dave at home and his place of business.
If anything happens to Dave, Levin is is deep trouble. by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:50:59 AM PDT
no, I saw the whole diary here, and that's what (7+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Lestatdelc, Feanor, aitchdee, Samulayo, Cat Nerd, MajorFlaw, Over the Edge}
is so disappointing about this. It's completely ridiculous, and the reaction here was only slightly more thoughtful than I'd expect from a Mark Levin book signing audience. by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:54:28 AM PDT
What a steaming pile of shit! (3+ / 0-) Recommended by: {Mountain Don, mrkvica, blue vertigo}
When did DFQ threaten anyone with physical violence? When did he incite people to go after anyone? When did anyone here say that Levin's fans deserved any of the things that they threaten us with.
False equivalency anyone? by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:13:59 AM PDT
Sui Juris has never done anything but flamebait (1+ / 0-) Recommended by: {homogenius}
That is his entire history here on DKos. Nothing but trolling and flamebaiting. Nothing to contribute at all. by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:31:57 AM PDT
Thank you. (0+ / 0-) I was afraid that I was the only one who thought he was an asshat. by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:42:21 AM PDT
COME ON MICHAEL FINGERIT, SUE ME FOR EXPOSING YOU AS APPEARING TO BE SOME FORM OF SPOOK. WHAT PROGRESSIVE WOULD EVER ATTACK A MAN FOR GOING AFTER RIGHTWING HATE RADIO? THE DAILY KOS PROTECTED THIS GUY. THEY ENDORSED HIS ACTIVITIES. DAVE WENT THROUGH ALL THE PROPER CHANNELS LOOKING FOR JUSTICE. MARKOS MOULITSAS ZUNIGA, WHO BELIEVES THE CIA IS A LIBERAL ORGANIZATION, NEVER SHOWED UP FOR ANY OF DAVE'S DIARIES UNTIL HIS LAST ONE, TO CALL HIM SOME FORM OF DRAMA QUEEN/KING.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY KEITH OLBERMANN IS STILL POSTING THERE? SORRY FOR THE CAPITAL LETTERS, BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. ANYONE WITH DIGNITY WANT TO JOIN IN AND HELP GET DAILYKOS COMPLETELY EXPOSED ONCE AND FOR ALL? WHERE IS THE CAVALRY? COME ON GOOD PEOPLE. WAKE THE FUCK UP. DAVE WAS A HERO. MICHAEL FINGERIT REEKS OF SOME FORM OF MODERN DAY COINTELPRO. SO DOES MARKOS MOULITSAS ZUNIGA.
The CIA Truth about Kos - Daily Kos
Kos's Missing Time Gap - Daily Kos CIA Truth
Kos's Anti-Gay Article Disapears!?! - Daily Kos CIA Truth
Dave was targeted for astroturfed ridicule precisely because he was willing to get beyond mundane meta-wars among anonymous usernames. Not only did he find the UGOG files, he figured out real names. Not only did he prove that such people have been manipulating the Daily Kos, he showed how such activities were being encouraged and sanctioned by upper level administrators including Markos Moulitsas Zuniga.
Dave put his heart and soul into being a blogger. He desired for on-line activism to equate into gains in real life democratic processes. He was not obsessed. He had stumbled onto insidious activities preventing such lofty goals. That is why he had been attacked so viciously.
Dave eventually ventured over to the Democratic Underground. Unfortunately, he had no idea at the time that he was stepping into the same exact hornets' nest that exists at Daily Kos. Correct that, he probably had an inkling, as MajorFlaw {Michael Fingerit} had admitted to being a DU moderator in the UGOG files.
I wish I had gotten to known Dave a lot earlier than I did. Perhaps myself and others could have shown him support which perhaps could have lessened the strain he must have been going through. No one likes to be labelled as obsessed or as a kooky conspiracy theorist. No one likes to have their words and works twisted around. No one likes to get into rigged debates where the other side is full of cheaters.
Here is the link to Dave's journals at DU. He went there with an open mind. Folks are encouraged to read through his threads pertaining to Daily Kos and see how inorganic and seemingly scripted the herd attacks went after him. There was no interacting with his evidence. There was no fairness. The other side were on forum steroids, while Dave was being his good old, innocent self. How was he to know that the same exact fascism taking place at DKos goes on at DU?
Here are the nuts and bolts which prove a direct connection between the fake progressives in control of DKos having the same such control at DU.
To repeat, Michael Fingerit never expected to be outed for being MajorFlaw. Dave simply took things he revealed about himself at the UGOG domain and did research in real life. Fingerit admitted to a case he worked on. With that info, Dave solved his real name. While Jack's Smirking Revenge of the Free Speech Zone blog would like us to believe that Fingerit and others are regular people not deserving of having their true identities revealed, nothing could be further from the truth. What political consultant would be spending such an inordinate amount of time on the net perverting freedom of speech and association at major "progressive" blogs, if such activities were simply a hobby? There is no way, in my humble opinion, that the UGOG/KosKops were regular people. They appear to be in all likelihood paid to post and corrupt democratic processes on the internet.
Fingerit never imagined himself being outed. This explains why he blabbed so much. It is one thing for an anonymous username to be discredited. But if he'd known that his internet activities could be proven to be composed of astroturf, no way would he have given anyone the tools to determine his true identity.
MajorFlaw made a big mistake in not making his UGOG website inaccessible to the public. He made a big mistake in antagonising thoughtful individuals who would sleuth their way to figuring out his true internet motives. From the quote above, it can be now be seen that he outright lied.
There is zero proof that he was ever banned from Democratic Underground, nor that the webmaster Skinner ever posted anything about him. That doesn't mean everything he wrote were lies and misdirection. That is the key to understanding disinformation. Not all of it will be untruthful. He certainly was a powerful influence at DU. He still well very may be. The reason why he didn't provide links to his alleged banning one month before an election integrity activist named TIA was shown the door is because it never happened that way. Fingerit wanted folks at DKos to believe he was a big player at DU. I do believe he was being honest when he said he had the influence to prevent people from being banned. That implies that he had the power to have adversaries banned regardless of any rules being broken. Here is the proof that he lied about his banishment from DU one month before TIA was.
Here is the proof that MajorFlaw was a DU moderator in April, 2005, well after the time TIA had been shown the door. While TIA posts have henceforth been allowed through his friends, the bottom line is that TruthIsAll was never reinstated by DU.
I had been successful at DU as Prepostericity in exposing the true nature of Speedway Bomber Brett Kimberlin and the lies Larisa Alexandrovna had told about him being an exonerated, ex-political prisoner. I also was successful in pointing out the truth about the Michael Connell being threatened by Karl Rove hoax. That has been covered at my humble forum/blog in the astroturfing section.
When I was attacked by the UGOG/KosKops at DKos for posting such factual information that had been censored at DU, I had trouble understanding why MajorFlaw and his astroturfing network would go out of their way to support prolific conspiracy theorists. DKos is known for having established rules against such topics. Folks have probably seen it written there time and time again, that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. So why would MajorFlaw be supporting hoaxsters?
We now have the answer. MajorFlaw {Fingerit} can now be directly linked to fake, election integrity activists.
It has been brought to my attention that erstwhile DUer, MajorFlaw, was very helpful in the preparation of the "DRE Reliability..." paper, for which he deserves our full appreciation.
I now notice that an image from that thread is no longer available. Could Michael Fingerit have been photographed? I may have a copy of that somewhere. Perhaps I can try to track it down. Probably doesn't matter. But if it did include a photo of him, this shows that this insidious individual is fearful of being exposed. How else to explain the inorganic ganging up on Dave on his threads at DU?
The paper put forth that Wilms said Fingerit helped draft was produced by VoteTrustUSA. That was an EI offshoot of the Verified Voting Foundation established by Andy Stephenson. Alexandrovna was close to Andy. John Gideon, the BradBlog's #1 blogger after Brad, also worked for that group. We now know that Brad Friedman is the frontman for confidence man Brett Kimberlin and his Velvet Revolution. We now know that the Clint Curtis and Spoonamore stories have zero credibility. We also know that a wealthy New Ager heiress named Lori Grace has provided funds to Velvet Revolution.
The bad guys are afraid of all these connections being made. I am not saying that Brad Friedman or even Larisa and Brett are paid disinformation. MajorFlaw, on the other hand, based on the sophisticated nature of the UGOG files, appears to definitely be some form of fifth column.
This is all similar to the proven facts established about Markos Moulitsas Zuniga connecting him to the CIA, Ronald Reagan, attacks on Caroline Kennedy and other Democrats, and with his ties to payola-type schemes. Proving someone is an intel supported troll is very hard to do, if not impossible. At a minimum, however, we can see how successful institutions such as Daily Kos, Velvet Revolution, Black Box Voting, Democratic Underground, and many others have been cash cows. What we don't see any evidence of is that any of them have done any good for true progressives. As for this branch of the "election integrity" movement, the only evidence there is besides the money making capabilities has been of their consistent providing of convolution and strawmen hoaxes, which have served to make election fraud appear to be a non-factor or consisting of too many strawmen to be considered as probable.
I believe the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen by George Bush Jr.. I also believe that election integrity topics which have deserved greater attention have had to take a back seat to outrageous and easily debunked conspiracy theories. This crowd has provided a lot of convolution and not much election integrity ideas. Whether the objectives have been to raise funds through good-hearted yet gullible wealthy donors or to promote strawmen disinfo or both is besides the point. Whether someone is willing disinfo, a confidence man, or a useful idiot, he or she is contributing to the perversion of democratic processes on the internet. And such activities have had bad consequences in real life.
Where would it be most easiest for modern day cointelpro to operate than on the internet? How has what Fingerit and Markos Zuniga done on the internet been anything other than the perverting of high ideals of freedom of speech and association among true peaceniks and progressives?
This guy is the personification of the word hypocrite.
At the DailyKos, he is MBNYC. He is also a leading contributor to a blog called Daily Gotham. My plan is to keep this website short and sweet. That can be easier said than done. I realise a lot of the entries are cross-posted information and nothing new under the sun. I simply want the whole world to be more likely to be aware of the true colours of folks like Michael Bouldin. Thus, if they google this guy, with a saturated internet, newbies and fence-sitters will be more likely to be able to find out the truth.
Repetition can be good. As long as it is interesting. No one likes spam. But no one with integrity ever rests until injustices are corrected. Here's an example. Markos Moulitsas Zuniga of the Daily Kos let slip out a few years back that he is a big fan of the CIA. Yet, how many folks realise he is a rightwinger? How many realise there are an incredible amount of questions concerning his morals or lack of such? This is why kudos go out to Francis Holland. Check out his blog on CIAKos. Run through the extensive links. It is not kooky tinfoil to wonder if the Daily Kos is an intel-operated domain. At a minimum, it can be proven to be a rightwing institution.
Now let's take a quick peek at the duplicitous nature of Michael Bouldin.
Or look at Bill O'Reilly in his now famous meltdown from when he worked for Inside Edition, a tabloid magazine. Especially take note how he went from raving lunatic to smiling fraud in the matter of a second. That is being two-faced.
Michael Bouldin is a member of the UGOGs. Check out that website. Increase the view size for easier reading. Many folks wish for the Kos Kop thingie to be viewed as being a matter of some insignificant blog war among anonymous usernames. No way, Jose. At least not in my humble opinion after reading through the whole thing. It was simply too sophisticated. There were simply too many connections between the UGOGs and the top DKos administrators.
There is a reason why true progressives and peaceniks have been driven off of Daily Kos. It is because Markos Moulitsas Zuniga is part of a controlled opposition which serves the purposes of a vast rightwing conspiracy. On one side of the coin are Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity types. On the other are fakes progressives such as Zuniga and Bouldin.
Dave Weintraub was able to figure out the real names of the top two UGOGs. One is Michael J. Fingerit {MajorFlaw} and the other is Lloyd Lachow {Condoleaser/bottles}. Fingerit can now be tied in with election integrity fakes such as Larisa Alexandrovna and Brett Kimberlin. Lachow lost a license in Colorado for being a sexual predator. A few weeks ago, one of my latest DKos zombies noticed Condoleaser was mentioned. I posted that folks should google that name. The UGOGs went to work and had that post deleted. Because this is the top result.
Posted by WhoIsCondo:
Dailykos kop. Lost his license in Colorado for sexually assaulting a patient. Moved to Maryland to escape shame.
Who is condoleaser? AKA 'voila', 'bottles'
Here was when aspiring political consultant Michael Bouldin admitted to being a full-fledged member of the UGOGs. A poster named Alec82 showed up to confront the fake progressives running the fascist enterprise doing the 'dirty work' for Daily Kos administrators such as Barbara Morrill and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga.
Fingerit wasn't just manipulating democratic processes at Daily Kos. He also admitted to doing the same thing at Democratic Underground. The key to understanding the unfair attacks on Dave Weintraub is to realise that Dave was not afraid to transcend the ambiguous nature of anonymous usernames. He figured out who these people are in 'real life'. Lots of folks want this type of proven conspiracy to be seen as the result of some dorky hobby. I believe that Markos Moulitsas Zuniga and Fingerit are part of a fifth column infiltration of progressive politics on the internet. Peeder, the person who did the tech work for DailyKos, has written on a few occasions that the business model of DailyKos has been set up for failure. The Alexa stats show this to be true, as DailyKos has lost approximately 65% in viewership over the last three months.
The DailyKos has had an elaborate scheme by which pseudo-meta wars have been pushed in a cynical objective to hike up view hits. But when so many, in the tens of thousands if not more, have been alienated and driven off of the site, it will be only a matter of time before the advertisers catch up to how DailyKos is no longer a major domain.
In short, the way Daily Kos has operated over the years has ensured that the place would eventually hit this nosedive. Now this begs the question. Is DailyKos being funded by outside sources? How did the DailyKos rise out of nowhere to become one of the big players, if not the #1 domain, for 'progressive' politics? Based on Zuniga's lies about being a progressive, as spelled out by Holland and many others, from false claims of being an immigrant to hollow explanations of how he pulled the Hitchens/Huffington 180 from adoring Ronald Reagan and George Bush, how do we know that Zuniga has not been working for black operations the whole time? If Markos believes that the CIA is such a great organisation, how can he call himself a progressive? How can Bill O'Reilly and others claim him as one? Why are peaceniks and free thinkers unable to post at the major domains?
Where I differ with Holland's conclusion is that I believe Markos Moulitsas Zuniga was transferred into an FBI or NSA type division. It is illegal for the CIA to perform psychological operations on U.S. citizenry. Why would the CIA risk such illegalities when Moulitsas could have simply been transferred to an institution where it is not illegal to do such things?
In Zuniga's own words:
The CIA Truth about Kos - Daily Kos
Also, make sure to check out the excellent sleuthing that DFQ came up with at DaveFromQueens.com. There is a section devoted exclusively to Daily Kos including his exposes on political operative Michael Fingerit. Well-played, David Weintraub. God bless you.
