The Revenge of DonkeyTale: FSZ and Jack Are Cheating Pigs

This is a cross-post from the FreeSpeechZoneBlog. The main reason I cross-post is because one never knows when stuff is gonna be deleted. Another reason for my posting this here is because I called DonkeyTale the historic troll in a previous entry. I truly believe that the people at FSZ are some form of paid fake. Cointelpro? Could be. At a minimum, political consultants/lawyers are all over the "progressive" blogs. They are the reason, not the far right, that the internet is a joke of a factor in making a dent into the status quo. I just can't figure out where to go next.

My All Aircraft Are Not Involved forum is slow as molasses and truly has become a blog in the form of a forum. Perhaps it will pick up again at some point. I'll never give up on it. As for deletions and stuff like that, I will never do it. I am not afraid to own my words. I am not ashamed of my blogging. When I'm at saloons like FSZ and MLW, I am not afraid to toss back a few brews. When I was at DailyKos, I bent over backward to be polite. But that didn't stop Michael Fingerit from making sure I got banned for no good reason.

I like to blog. I am not a troll or troublemaker. I have not been banned that much. The places I have been banned from did so for no good reason. Plus, those places are dives full of outright misinfo, disinfo, and unfair moderating. So what you see at FSZ and to a lesser extent at MLW, two places I have not been banned from, are hordes of thought police. I truly believe that Melvin, CometMan, Lauren S, DeeDogg, Denali, and many others could be the same person or working together. How does Melvin sound any different from Lauren S or CometMan? Anyway, the reader into this kind of stuff can decide for themselves. What we are witnessing, imho, is the utter breakup of any shred of credibility for the blogosphere as being democratic.

I am into saving time for newbies and fence-sitters. I know how tough it can be to figure out who is legit and who is insidious. One can keep taking every poster at face value until they are blue in the face of enigmas. The key is, one must reflect on nuggets when they come into contact with them. For me, I see someone like Greenwood stalking me at FSZ and MLW, and I do see close comparisons to the cybersmear fockers who have been on my arse for the last two years. If I am an insignificant conspiracy theorist, then why all the sophisticated attention?

I noticed that this Armando dude, who used to be a frontpager and lead trollhunter at DKos, was given full moderator abilities by MSOC back in the day at MyLeftWing. On the surface, MSOC appears to be a hottie lefty. But when one gets into the nuggets such as this, when they look at the two concern trolls named Curmudgette and KarmaFish who dominate her forum, when they truly understand what happened to Francis Holland, then enough already. MSOC is not a true lefty and is truly a waste of time. One of her close friends and posters is a producer for Fox News. Case closed on that self-admitted basket case. I just hope she is getting good bucks from the political operatives to account for her becoming a gatekeeping, rightwing progressive.




The Revenge of DonkeyTale: FSZ and Jack Are Cheating Pigs

It can now be confirmed without a doubt that this is the most rigged forum on the internet. Don't let the free speech zone in the title fool you. The fish rots from the head down. Jack's Smirking Revenge is clearly not who he claims to be. This place was rigged from the get-go. Proof supplied after the break.

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It's simple. This latest brouhaha over myself, Noom {random guy}, and DavidByron being banned was not performance art. It was a test run that utterly failed. Ultimately, what is left here are the dregs of the KosKops. This forum was started at the same time as the UGOGs. The plan was to have a fake meta-war between MajorFlaw and these others consisting primarily of Jack, Lauren S, CometMan, Melvin, DeeDogg, Kestrel9000, and many others including Denali and TheBlaz.

The reason DonkeyTale was anti-MAMZ meta wasn't because he didn't believe Daily Kos and the rest of the white-o-sphere are full of fake progressives. He thought it was fruitless what DFQ was up to. That is his right also.

I turned on DonkeyTale for a brief period of time after he called me Sock Rat. I then went on to post at DaveFromQueens2.blogspot that he was the historic troll. I am like that. When I get attacked, I attack back. Curmudgette and MSOC call me a douchebag, then good luck to them once they have come onto my cyber-sleuthing radar system. Revenge is sweet.

Myself and DonkeyTale were able to work through a lot of our suspicions of the other while at DaveFromQueens.com. He explained that he was pro-Dave, even if he necessarily wasn't interested in what he was doing.

You see, DonkeyTale was one of the original anti-MAMZ people. I went to his posts at DKos. I can't find one post he made that was troll-rated. I have no clue why he was banned. Then I looked for proof that he had stalked Susan or anyone else. I found none. What I did find in his DKos posts was the same kind of good sense of humour, though he hadn't started with his kkk/wright spelling schtick.

I checked out nowhereweb.com in the wayback machine. I went to BooMan Tribune to see what he did wrong there. Basically, DonkeyTale is the original socrates, the one who keeps getting his ass unfairly kicked no matter where he ends up on the internet. For some reason or another, blogospheric ptb's do not want him succeeding on the net.

Anyway, this dude Brian NoWhere from the NoWhere blog asked at Booman's for anyone to show where DT's comments were that would explain why got banned. None were supplied.

Let's go back in time a bit.

Cowards In Action by DFQ 01/07/09

DonkeyTale got kudos from Dave for sticking up for the truth. Without doubt, Jack is a lying sack of shit. Read through that link and come back....

Jack has lied so often, that nothing he says can ever be trusted. He had that crazy lie about DT, Noom, and ShadowThief or someone all being the same person. He has consistently lied about MajorFlaw being a regular guy. The latest big lie he made was when he yet again took credit for the outing of the UGOGs, when anyone who has looked into this knows, that he has had nothing to do with anything but efforts to cover it up and protect the UGOG/KosKops. This whole friggen place is full of them. It's the same old, same old cynical ploy to increase web hits among the addicted to the soapblox family of hate blogs.

Anyway, DonkeyTale caught Jack in that lie and confronted him. Jack then proceeded to delete his lying post which then erased DT's and I think another one by Noom.

Jack made up some shit about how he doesn't have a cancel button. The thread was retitled to Thunderdome and Jack asked us to take this to his "Holy....F*cking....Shit" thread. More on that in a second.

Anyway, the Thunderdome thread has been completely deleted. Jack will say that the diarist did that not him. But remember this, how come at DKos when diaries are deleted, the comments remain? How come here they don't? Is it because Jack's Smirking Revenge is a lying f***ing douchebag piece of shit? Of course!

Here is what is left in yahoo cache of the thread in question. It was written by 'Diogenes Dalee', a suspected KosKop who made a post as recently as a few hours ago from while I am finishing this one up.

I was looking through the other thread that still exists. Jack has taken down an image he had up proving he doesn't have a cancel button. Now that was odd in itself, since Curmudgette, the #3 poster to ever sign up here, fancy that, says that admins have cancel buttons.

You see, Jack is all about plausible deniability. But he isn't that bright. Is MajorFlaw bright? What about Kestrel9000, DeeDogg, CometMan, Melvin, Lauren S, or most of the others from FSZ? NO F***ING WAY. THESE ARE COMPLETE F***ING IDIOTS WHO NEED TO CHEAT WHEN THEY GET THEIR TROLL ASSES EXPOSED!

I'll finish this diary off by leaving the last words to Brian Nowhere. This is taken from June 2006. I'm not suggesting to go down some Armando rabbit hole. I just feel that it's a good anecdote for all the bullshit that goes on in the "progressive" blogosphere. It shows how much cheating does in fact go on.

These people are the scum of the earth. They are fascist pigs. And of course I will need to save this page after writing it. The thing about this website is nothing is safe. Jack is a proven cheater. The whole thing or parts of it could be deleted with no notice. Unless someone stumbles across deletions like I did with the Thunderdome diary, these shitf***s continue to act like no one knows exactly their methods and their utter lack of morals and souls. Are people like Melvin and Lauren S the bottom of the barrel? Yes, they are the types who if they got sick and died, one would feel guilty over feeling pleasure for such a situation. These people are scumbags!!!!

Dear Armando,

You are embarrassing yourself. Not only yourself you are embarrassing history.


Every courageous human being who has ever stood up and expressed an opinion in the history of time, should all collectively get together and run you out of town.

The drama you are displaying over this non-incident is nothing short of embarrassing to every human being who has ever had the courage to speak out under their own identity.


A few cases in point:
The leader of the civil rights movement was not known simply as Martin.


The leader of the yippies was not known as just Abbie.


And aren't we all glad that The first & biggest name written on the Declaration of Independence is not JHcock1776?


The guy who stood up and said "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" did not have the luxury of using the pseudonym JFK1943


The intrepid journalist who had his career dashed against the rocks by Karl Rove didn't have the option to just open a new CBS account under the screenname ratherNotBKnown.


No Armando, you grabbed at the limelight like Star Jones grabbing a hotdog at a RedSox game. (Notice that Star Jones just got the brunt of an insult, she doesn't get to hide behind starchild65), and now that your identity has been revealed you want to take your ball and run home? Are you friggin serious?


So, Martin Luther King Jr., Abbie Hoffman, John Kerry, Mr. Hancock, Mr. Rather please join me in six part harmony in saying what needs to be said to this drama queen, this..Armando:
1--2--a-1 2 3 4 "Boo-Fucking-Hoo!"

If Armando got "outed", then it's Armando's fault for not being careful enough and Armando's fault alone. There is no one else to blame, not even WIKI or the National Review. Any old school hacker will tell you, "information wants to be free" If it ever finds daylight, free it will be.


If you have opinions in this world and wish to express them you have to be prepared to back them up with YOU. It's such a simple tenet I can't believe it's even being debated.


If expressing your views is too risky to your professional career then you have a choice. Quit your job or STFU.


Anonymity is not a right except for undercover cops and CIA Agents and the like. Lawyers, thankfully are not granted this protection.


If an intrepid reporter had discovered that Mark Felt was Deep Throat, they would have been well within their rights to report it, and report it they would have.
Obviously our Mr. Felt was simply much more clever than you Armando (and with much more at stake and many more people working to uncover it), but had he not been, he would have been named long ago and rightfully so. That's just the way it works. You know what they say about kitchens and their propensity for getting a bit warm..


In short, Armando. I have two suggestions/options for you if you don't want being the internet's biggest asshole to become synonymous with your real name.



1. Stop blogging.


2. Stop being an asshole.


Sincerely Brian Nowhere

{His emphases, bold prints, and italics not included.}

Brian actually seems to have included his real name, but I won't reprint it. If anyone seemed like a regular guy, it's him, not MajorFlaw and Moulitsas Zuniga.

If this guy could vouch for DonkeyTale, I have decided to do the same thing. To wrap this up, here are the comments from that thread. Some people have integrity. Then there are the people who dominate this shithole of a blog with no right to be called a free speech zone. F*** YOU KOSKOPS AND YOUR STUPID SCRIPTS. YOU GOT BUSTED AND NO ONE BELIEVES A WORD OUT OF YOU FAKE F***ING PROGRESSIVES. YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE NEOCONS, YOU ARE SUCH NASTY SHITS!!!!!!

comments

2006-06-12 06:23:59
What happened over there?
Did somebody take their ball and go home? I see that all of suskind's diary on Armando are no longer there.
XicanoPwr


2006-06-12 11:51:29
Yeah I noticed that
Brian Nowhere's response to What happened over there? by XicanoPwr

I checked my comments this morning at boomans and saw that a shitload of my comments were gone, which really freaked me out for a second.

I went over to Dkos last night to see that suskind also crossposted his article there.

The funny thing was that the Dkos version had all pro-Armando comments w/ ALL OF THEM kissing his ass and wishing him well.

Suskind had his nose so far up Armando's ass that if he sneezed, snot would have come out of Armando's mouth.

The very same article posted at Booman had suskinds' logic getting torn to shreds and almost everyone disagreeing with him.
In the end he was cornered by common sense into basically conceding the point, which is why I guess he deleted his article.

The great purge of all things dissenting at Dkos must have been pretty damn complete because I swear there was not one single solitary comment in opposition to Armando's POV. It makes me want to puke seeing what's happening over at the big Orange.
Brian Nowhere
I'm too cool to have a tagline...

2006-06-13 13:16:43
Got some interesting info
XicanoPwr's response to Yeah I noticed that by Brian Nowhere

you have my email right? If not let me know.
XicanoPwr

2006-06-13 16:57:32
I'm not sure.
Brian Nowhere's response to Got some interesting info by XicanoPwr

I got something from a Curmudgette..haven't had a chance to look at the link yet.
Send it to uns8ed@nowhereweb.com
Brian Nowhere
I'm too cool to have a tagline...

2006-06-16 22:13:44
Thought I'd pop over
to say "hello". Seems appropriate to leave the comment in the Armando letter, all things considered.

There was a very stupid comment made later that night by the site owner, Green version. Added to the deletions at BMT and the censoring of commentary at MLW (according to a comment at BMT) it was a bit much for me.

It is a tired game they all have going.

BTW, loved the Fitzmas posting as well.

Excellent!

Take care!

Marisacat

2006-06-16 23:50:32
once ya pop ya just can't stop
Brian Nowhere's response to Thought I'd pop over by Marisacat

Games games games.

The thing that cracks me up is how illusory all this shit is. I've recently been more fascinated with the whole policical blogging phenomenon that I've been with the actual antics of Bush & Co.

I enjoy watching the conflict that exists at these sites between the proprietors and the contributors, with the former continually battling the latter for control.

I've wondered, do most people frequent these sites for the first-class writing of the staff, or do they come to vent, to get shit off of their chest?
I suspect that the dailyKos became the mega-site it is today not for Kos & company's fantastic insights, but because of the compelling nature of the tension played out in the commenting & recommended diaries. People really take that shit seriously.

Don't get me wrong. I do think that the daily kos and boomantribune are doing great things. I just can't believe that they can not come up with more creative ways of dealing with the "outsiders" who don't color between the lines than to just ban people.

The whole Armando thing was a hoot though. Talk about your glass houses and not thowing stones! I guess people who think their shit doesn't stink think that that the great cliches (glass houses, chickens coming home to roost, mess with a bull get the horns etc.) don't apply to them like the rest of us mortals.

All of this gives me a great idea for a blog, which would be a blog that serves as a watchdog over all the other blogs. All that would be discussed is what drama is unfolding at all the other blogs.

I'll have to add that to my Million Dollar Ideas feature, which is a regular feature that I'm working on. Although this particular idea is probably more of a hundreds of dollars idea than it is a million dollar one.

Anyway, I'm rambling on. thanks for stopping by. I hope you see it fit to stop by again.
Brian Nowhere

DKos Disinfo Racket Includes the Undermining of Democratic Processes at the Democratic Underground

Dave was targeted for astroturfed ridicule precisely because he was willing to get beyond mundane meta-wars among anonymous usernames. Not only did he find the UGOG files, he figured out real names. Not only did he prove that such people have been manipulating the Daily Kos, he showed how such activities were being encouraged and sanctioned by upper level administrators including Markos Moulitsas Zuniga.

Dave put his heart and soul into being a blogger. He desired for on-line activism to equate into gains in real life democratic processes. He was not obsessed. He had stumbled onto insidious activities preventing such lofty goals. That is why he had been attacked so viciously.

Dave eventually ventured over to the Democratic Underground. Unfortunately, he had no idea at the time that he was stepping into the same exact hornets' nest that exists at Daily Kos. Correct that, he probably had an inkling, as MajorFlaw {Michael Fingerit} had admitted to being a DU moderator in the UGOG files.

I wish I had gotten to known Dave a lot earlier than I did. Perhaps myself and others could have shown him support which perhaps could have lessened the strain he must have been going through. No one likes to be labelled as obsessed or as a kooky conspiracy theorist. No one likes to have their words and works twisted around. No one likes to get into rigged debates where the other side is full of cheaters.

Here is the link to Dave's journals at DU. He went there with an open mind. Folks are encouraged to read through his threads pertaining to Daily Kos and see how inorganic and seemingly scripted the herd attacks went after him. There was no interacting with his evidence. There was no fairness. The other side were on forum steroids, while Dave was being his good old, innocent self. How was he to know that the same exact fascism taking place at DKos goes on at DU?


Here are the nuts and bolts which prove a direct connection between the fake progressives in control of DKos having the same such control at DU.


From the UGOG files:







From a DKos thread:









To repeat, Michael Fingerit never expected to be outed for being MajorFlaw. Dave simply took things he revealed about himself at the UGOG domain and did research in real life. Fingerit admitted to a case he worked on. With that info, Dave solved his real name. While Jack's Smirking Revenge of the Free Speech Zone blog would like us to believe that Fingerit and others are regular people not deserving of having their true identities revealed, nothing could be further from the truth. What political consultant would be spending such an inordinate amount of time on the net perverting freedom of speech and association at major "progressive" blogs, if such activities were simply a hobby? There is no way, in my humble opinion, that the UGOG/KosKops were regular people. They appear to be in all likelihood paid to post and corrupt democratic processes on the internet.


Fingerit never imagined himself being outed. This explains why he blabbed so much. It is one thing for an anonymous username to be discredited. But if he'd known that his internet activities could be proven to be composed of astroturf, no way would he have given anyone the tools to determine his true identity.


MajorFlaw made a big mistake in not making his UGOG website inaccessible to the public. He made a big mistake in antagonising thoughtful individuals who would sleuth their way to figuring out his true internet motives. From the quote above, it can be now be seen that he outright lied.

There is zero proof that he was ever banned from Democratic Underground, nor that the webmaster Skinner ever posted anything about him. That doesn't mean everything he wrote were lies and misdirection. That is the key to understanding disinformation. Not all of it will be untruthful. He certainly was a powerful influence at DU. He still well very may be. The reason why he didn't provide links to his alleged banning one month before an election integrity activist named TIA was shown the door is because it never happened that way. Fingerit wanted folks at DKos to believe he was a big player at DU. I do believe he was being honest when he said he had the influence to prevent people from being banned. That implies that he had the power to have adversaries banned regardless of any rules being broken. Here is the proof that he lied about his banishment from DU one month before TIA was.


This may wind up getting locked







Here is the proof that MajorFlaw was a DU moderator in April, 2005, well after the time TIA had been shown the door. While TIA posts have henceforth been allowed through his friends, the bottom line is that TruthIsAll was never reinstated by DU.





I had been successful at DU as Prepostericity in exposing the true nature of Speedway Bomber Brett Kimberlin and the lies Larisa Alexandrovna had told about him being an exonerated, ex-political prisoner. I also was successful in pointing out the truth about the Michael Connell being threatened by Karl Rove hoax. That has been covered at my humble forum/blog in the astroturfing section.


When I was attacked by the UGOG/KosKops at DKos for posting such factual information that had been censored at DU, I had trouble understanding why MajorFlaw and his astroturfing network would go out of their way to support prolific conspiracy theorists. DKos is known for having established rules against such topics. Folks have probably seen it written there time and time again, that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. So why would MajorFlaw be supporting hoaxsters?


We now have the answer. MajorFlaw {Fingerit} can now be directly linked to fake, election integrity activists.


According to Wilms at DU {emphasis his},

More credit where it's due...

It has been brought to my attention that erstwhile DUer, MajorFlaw, was very helpful in the preparation of the "DRE Reliability..." paper, for which he deserves our full appreciation.

Even in Fingerit's own words at DailyKos, he admitted to his participation in the "election integrity" movement.







I now notice that an image from that thread is no longer available. Could Michael Fingerit have been photographed? I may have a copy of that somewhere. Perhaps I can try to track it down. Probably doesn't matter. But if it did include a photo of him, this shows that this insidious individual is fearful of being exposed. How else to explain the inorganic ganging up on Dave on his threads at DU?


The paper put forth that Wilms said Fingerit helped draft was produced by VoteTrustUSA. That was an EI offshoot of the Verified Voting Foundation established by Andy Stephenson. Alexandrovna was close to Andy. John Gideon, the BradBlog's #1 blogger after Brad, also worked for that group. We now know that Brad Friedman is the frontman for confidence man Brett Kimberlin and his Velvet Revolution. We now know that the Clint Curtis and Spoonamore stories have zero credibility. We also know that a wealthy New Ager heiress named Lori Grace has provided funds to Velvet Revolution.

The bad guys are afraid of all these connections being made. I am not saying that Brad Friedman or even Larisa and Brett are paid disinformation. MajorFlaw, on the other hand, based on the sophisticated nature of the UGOG files, appears to definitely be some form of fifth column.

This is all similar to the proven facts established about Markos Moulitsas Zuniga connecting him to the CIA, Ronald Reagan, attacks on Caroline Kennedy and other Democrats, and with his ties to payola-type schemes. Proving someone is an intel supported troll is very hard to do, if not impossible. At a minimum, however, we can see how successful institutions such as Daily Kos, Velvet Revolution, Black Box Voting, Democratic Underground, and many others have been cash cows. What we don't see any evidence of is that any of them have done any good for true progressives. As for this branch of the "election integrity" movement, the only evidence there is besides the money making capabilities has been of their consistent providing of convolution and strawmen hoaxes, which have served to make election fraud appear to be a non-factor or consisting of too many strawmen to be considered as probable.

I believe the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen by George Bush Jr.. I also believe that election integrity topics which have deserved greater attention have had to take a back seat to outrageous and easily debunked conspiracy theories. This crowd has provided a lot of convolution and not much election integrity ideas. Whether the objectives have been to raise funds through good-hearted yet gullible wealthy donors or to promote strawmen disinfo or both is besides the point. Whether someone is willing disinfo, a confidence man, or a useful idiot, he or she is contributing to the perversion of democratic processes on the internet. And such activities have had bad consequences in real life.

Where would it be most easiest for modern day cointelpro to operate than on the internet? How has what Fingerit and Markos Zuniga done on the internet been anything other than the perverting of high ideals of freedom of speech and association among true peaceniks and progressives?