The Revenge of Abbeysbooks

{cross-posted from FSZ}

This is a cross-post from MyLeftWing. Basically AbbeysBooks warned a UGOG a few years back to disassociate himself from those operatives. MaryScott O'Connor made an appearance. She basically showed how clueless she is, that she is easily manipulated by those fake lefties sending her cash or otherwise kissing her mental illness booboos.

By the way, MSOC has deleted a diary in which she said she'd never accept money from political candidates. My theory on her is that she is making money off of her website. Whether she is a chump getting bird feed from the likes of pro-military whench Curmudgette or from prolific KosKop, KarmaFish and the few other irrelevant writers such as cleverguy82 and devilishadvocate, she has pretty much sealed her fate as being a Markos Alberto Moulitsas Zuniga guarddog. She banned Francis Holland. Scum like Mudge and fishstench are the worst of KosKops. They run someone's reputation into the ground, then they act all innocent saying they didn't want anyone banned.

More after the break. Get yourself a soda. This is gonna be a good one. {also, make sure to check out Francis' Truth About Kos website where yours truly shows once again how guerilla blogging is really done, unlike this fake shit pumped out by MattyJack and the other looooosers.}

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So MattyJack is acting out a fight with fellow operative Laurel S, who only Lord Byron believes is a female, and only because he has some serious issues with vaginas. [/digression]

It's this simple. I kicked KarmaFish's butt in debate. I troll busted his sorry 15,000 post ass in broad daylight. He admitted to going to MyLeftWingNut to "fight" with Francis Holland. Cue up what a fool believes by the Doobies.

And here we have MattyJack trying to rewrite history. He takes down the UGOG files, he puts them back up. He repeats the cycle. I, on the otherhand, never waver from outing cointelpro-like scum on the internet. MattyJack was talking trash about how many lurkers this place was getting. Uhm, it was because of me. I made a diary at DailyKos sticking up for Dave and Francis. There were a quick 200 of the cheesiest fake lefty responses one could imagine. In my defense, I always knew Daily Kos sucked. You chumps with your soap blox and Kos-centric dribble ought to be embarrassed.

Anyway, Francis' blog got a lot of new readers. I'm sure this place did too. But before MattyJack gets too excited, the truth is out there that he had zero to do with the outing of the UGOGs. The truth is out there that this guy is in all probability some kind of plant. Hey, when the #2 or three poster is Curmudgette her smelly self, you know this place is ultimately a joke.

Without further ado....

The Revenge of AbbeysBooks

Revenge is sweet. I hope MSOC doesn't mind a bit of "I told you so" from the lovely and talented Abbeysbooks.

Here's the link {below Dr. Evil} where Abbeysbooks explained in 2007 how she got run off of DailyKos for no good reason. Yeah, at this point we all know that the DailyKos sucks and is full of rightwing Democrats, middle of the road, selfish haters. But for those who ignore the UGOG files, you do so at your own peril. They prove how the internet is rigged. The two most arguably successful, rightwing, cash cows masquerading as progressives have been DKos and the Democratic Underground, and now we have the proof due to David Weintraub's trollbusting that they have been rigged! Sure that link is to an FSZ domain. Don't let that fool you. Dave got banned from FSZ after exposing the UGOGs, and this link was taken down by Jack for a chunk of time, when he claimed that FingerFlaw, Bottles/condoleaser, and Michael Bouldin are regular guys. Yeah, and Manny is just being Manny? Er, maybe a bad example. But you know what I friggen mean.

Abbeysbooks' Revenge



Sometimes, It Feels Good to Respond to Douchebaggery

Abbeysbooks:

All I could do was laugh and laugh as I imagined blue vertigo, majorflaw,dadanation, andgarden, truth of angels, DMiller and all the rest of that cabal who stalk you to troll rate and get you banned

MSOC:

dadanation is a great friend of mine. NOT at ALL one of the haters. Don't know where you got the opposite idea, but just to clarify -- SO not the case.

Abbeysbooks to Shriver:

It would be advisable for you to stay away from that group of trolls or you will sink with them. Many others are now on to them. And waiting.

Check out the UGOG files. Dadanation shows up in the first week or two.

FingerFlaw is the one who definitely needs to be investigated. He has acted precisely how one would expect a cointelpro agent to act like if they were dominating major forums. Fifth column.

Meet the real David Weintraub!

Hey, what's this, Markos Zuniga is a big fan of the CIA? Yikes!

June 2nd, 2006 Interview with the Commonwealth Club.

Applied in 2001
"six month process"
Daily Kos formed: May, 2002
Joined Howard Dean Campaign: June, 2003

Care to explain, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga????

Better to listen to Ozzie than the rightwing, mental midget from the Orange Satan.



tags: Eat Crow, UGOG, DailyCIAKos, Busted, Exposed, Fake Progressive Numbnuts

Abbeysbooks' Revenge Fleshed Out

I am trying to piece together her story. She may have made a few politically incorrect statements on rare occasions, but that is no excuse for how she was selected for banishment by Michael Fingerit. It is not outlandish to think that Fingerit {MajorFlaw} is the proverbial paid fake, perhaps even some form of modern day cointelpro. If he wants to sue me for libel, he can go right ahead. We'll see how the jurors feel about the UGOG files. It'd be one thing if he was an unemployed crack head living off of a trust fust. This guy is an attorney and political consultant. In fact, the Daily Kos is dominated by such folks.

It's getting late here. I have already posted The Revenge of Abbeysbooks at MyLeftWing and FSZ. That showed how Abbeysbooks had confronted Dadanation {Michael Shriver} as being a KosKop at MLW. It showed how Maryscott O'Connor told Abbeysbook to stifle herself. O'Connor is well known for a bunch of things. For one, she loves to share her psychological problems with the world in the form of rants. She's also known for putting limits on Kos bashing and for being the catalyst behind the formation of Peeder's PFF website after unfairly tossing the amazing Kos critic Francis Holland from her pseudo leftwing forum. MSOC owes apologies to both of them. She is busy kissing Obama's ass, so don't expect her to even try to figure out the UGOG/KosKops or how Kos' CIA timeline doesn't add up. Perhaps her frontpagers give her some greenery as incentive to turn the other way.

I am not a trusted user at DKos. I am unable to see the hidden comments. But I can see many of the troll ratings given to Abbeysbooks. She fingered Fingerit as the kingpin well before DFQ came on the scene. She even warned Shriver to steer clear of the KosKops, for people were onto their antics. She wasn't some run of the mill username. She'd been at DKos since 2005 and contributed over 7000 posts before becoming a target for the scumbag, fake lefties.

I live with them all around (2+ / 6-)
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and those of us who see do not revere or admire them them. They run the most disgusting puppy mills, and shoot the ones they cannot sell. Their children are poorly educated so they can control them and their daughters are basically sold in marriage to consolidate land holdings, the way rulers used to do. A lot of them are winos with big red bulbous noses.
They are often sexually perverted but I am not going to go into stories here.
They know how to present an image and when the community is threatened as in this school shooting they know how to manage the media.
They won't drive but they hire drivers to take them to construction sites. They don't have electricity but they use our laundromat. They don't cook with gas and electricity but they eat junk food at McDonald's and the local greasy spoon.
And of course some of them are wonderful.



Someone named CarolinaDreamer used this above one as an example to explain why Abbeysbooks needed to be banned. But she left out the part about that some of them are wonderful.




As I said I read too many books (2+ / 5-)
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Sounds just like some people here at dkos (4+ / 5-)
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Never forget that in the concentration camps (2+ / 4-)
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when a jew had given up and had the look of death on him he was called a moslem. It meant that he was to die soon. Now that's hatred....


I worked clinically with them for a number of (3+ / 4-)
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years and you are exceptional, that's all. Exceptions do not prove a point.
Oswald was also a dyslexic and read extremely difficult texts and wrote laboriously but I think brilliantly.
You have directional confusion, which is often mistaken for dyslexia. A true brain damaged dyslexic is rare. 5% of the population and 4 out of 5 are boys. There don't seem to be any in Japan according to the last piece of research I read on this subject.
Also Leonardo is a famous exception. And IMHO I think it is an evolution of the brain that gets messed up by our culture. Because dyslexics are certainly super aware of visual images and score higher on that subtest of the WISC or WAIS. Just lower on the verbal subtests. This is one way you diagnose them, this discrepancy of score.
But your heading this is bullshit and the mistakes in your writing either indicate that you don't know, don't care, or do not have the frustration tolerance to correct it.
And mine is a made up case. And yes the person in my made up case cannot tell right from left. But a dyslexic will give directions and never tell you they get it mixed up.
As for speed reading I developed Evelyn Wood's mini lesson and I can read very fast but also know when to change gears.


He is lazy is what kids who have trouble reading (3+ / 4-)
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are labeled. It's typical layman's judgment.


I also think Carter is a lousy writer (7+ / 3-)
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Which also means he is not a careful literate studious reader.


Only to counteract this blockquote (1+ / 3-)
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as strong, as humble, as psychologically or spiritually enlightened

which is really no different from what was said above by someone else. I just am in closer proximity to them than others posting here as they drive by my front door in their carriages every day. Five groups a day is not unusual. They wash their clothes where I do, eat where I do, buy groceries where I do and go to the same social worker's office as I do to get aid. They are my neighbors.
And everyone in my neon red town talks about the discrepancy of the way they live and advocate and their use of modern conveniences when it suits them, which is most of the time. They just don't own them. They will ride in a car and pay people to drive them, as they can't own or drive a car themselves and jobs in Springfield are 35 miles away.
And all of us dog rescue people loathe their treatment of dogs, their puppy mills, their caging the breeders in small cages, and their shooting of the ones they can't sell. And buying poor old pregnant bitches cheap at auction to sell the puppies. These auctions are desperately sad and the bidders are almost all Mennonites and Amish. My director was kicked out of the one at Cabool because she saved (bought) about $8000 worth of pregnant dogs to worm, vaccinate, and neuter and get adopted to keep them out of the puppy mills.
And for this I get troll rated into hidden comments so any criticism of these people described in the diary as

strong, as humble, as psychologically or spiritually enlightened

is eliminated from the thread.
The Soviets used to airbrush out of group pictures those who fell in disfavor with Stalin's party line who were eliminated into death or a labor camp. Here at kos your words are eliminated. Gone just like smoke into the atmosphere.
Sorry I didn't keep the other one but I will keep this one and the thread. Since when is telling the truth about some people in a religious sect bigoted? And they are known locally for their love of homemade wine. So they drink. So what. So they get drunk. So what. They are just like everyone else.



NO he is dyslexic and it is made worse (3+ / 3-)
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by his drinking and the brain damage that comes with 20 years or more of alcohol abuse.
Dyslexics can be everything wonderful that you say and they can also be slow learners and poor readers. They can be taught to read and even enjoy the newspaper. I worked with a 22 year old farmer from rural Delaware once who just wanted to be able to read the newspaper and he came to our clinic for about 2 years. Clinical experience and success will trump the book reading about this any day.
Others were marginal. Most are not dyslexic but mask the syndrome because they were taught to read before they were ready to read. Which means their visual discrimination was poor and their auditory discrimination necessary for word attack skillls was not developed. Start them right and you prevent the problem before it happens.
see elephant see _ which two words are the same
were where where - which word is different
was saw saw - which two are the same
want went want - which word is different
The above goes from easy to difficult. If they can't see the difference in went and want quickly without effort, then they are not ready.
Say see seen seen - which words sound exactly the same or which word sounds different. And so on and so one.
You make them up and improvise but if you have got to submit lesson plans 30 days in advance you are probably going to forget to put these little ditties in as they aren't in the reading book.
I knew a first grade teacher who when she passed out paper said how many do I need for this row? Or she would count out three and ask, how many more do I need for this row. And so on.


"Sgt Major Myers" is a dipshit freeper who deserved what Abbeysbooks said to him in the next one.


Sgt Major Myers (1+ / 2-)
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Your post is written like a true brainwashed military person. We need far fewer of your type in this country.
They all seem to come to Missouri to retire as the living is cheap here. Still planting the flag in their front lawn and yellow ribbon bumper stickers on their pickups.
These kids have been had from the getgo. Lousy public schools and indoctrination everyday of their lives. They have been alseep all these years,and now in Iraq,they have been jolted awake.
Paul Goodman has said it all in Growing Up Absurd
And he is not our president. He stole both elections. He is our dictator,our despot.



A big reason why I'm not supplying DKos links is because I don't want to direct traffic to that bullshit, fascist website. Let them and their addicts stew in their irrelevant blatherings. The main thing is that Abbeysbooks confronted these assholes and two years later has finally been proven correct. One dude who stood up for at the end was Jon Meltzer. One of his last posts, I don't believe he was banned, had him confronting Fingerit. You see, it is fairly obvious to anyone with the time and mouse skills to see how shady FKos has been and who the culprits were. This is what Jon said to Fingerit many months after Abbeysbooks had been unfairly banned.

TRed again for bullying (1+ / 0-)

The only time I ever see you make a comment, MajorFlaw, is to hand out one of your precious "d0nuts". You never post diaries and you do not participate in the discussions on this site. If this person is worthy of banning he will be by the administrators or in response to genuine trollish comments. Not by being hunted down by self-appointed net police.

Back to Abbeysbooks getting troll rated. Here she got 2 downrates for writing one word. These usernames don't look familiar to me. And the dittoed comment is gone.

Ditto (1+ / 2-)
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Happened to me too after a year of being TU (4+ / 2-)
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So now I can't see the comments of mine that I made and that they hid.
Just the ones they provide links to that are quite damning in isolation.
In the context of the Palestinians I have called the Jews fascist and that one lonely comment really sends people over the edge.


Calling someone a bitch, whore, cocksucker etc (1+ / 2-)
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so and so because you disagree with them is cause for TR ing them. Comparing them to Rove swiftboating or advocating a nanny state of protection from information is not.
People did the same thing to someone who wrote a diary about alternative cancer cures other than the classic medical model.
And the classical medical model is not more successful at all.


Fingerit responded:

Um . . . (9+ / 0-)
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People did the same thing to someone who wrote a diary about alternative cancer cures other than the classic medical model.

And the classical medical model is not more successful at all.

Now you're a medical expert as well? Have another d0nut.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 03:01:33 AM PDT



Here's an interesting sequence:

He's definitely being coached (4+ / 2-)
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by abbeysbooks on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:54:42 PM PDT

Folks... (1+ / 0-)
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...why is this trollrated?
by MBNYC on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:26:20 PM PDT


I don't get it. (1+ / 0-)
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Uprated for uncalled for troll rating.
by Radiowalla on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:32:40 PM PDT


Andgarden is part of a group (0+ / 0-)
that stalks and trolls me. They uprate each other for their attacks and that way they never lose TU status. I have BTW and they hide all my comments that they don't like. It would take an army of recs to get them out of hidden territroy.
I am not the only one they do this to. I have lots of threads on my hard drive. I think you and MBNYC are the first to have noticed this and commented on it. Quite a number of my favorite posters are now gone from here. I don't know if they have been attacked or just do not like this new atmosphere here.
by abbeysbooks

And now the accusations of stalking again (3+ / 0-)
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Why do you think I noticed you in the first place?
by andgarden on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:45:15 PM PDT


Some of my comments out of context (1+ / 0-)
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are indeed damning. If you read them I suggest you read the diary and entire thread of comments but that is a lot to ask anyone when one comment will suffice to hang me.
But isn't that what the mass media does that we so criticize it for doing?
Lots of hypocrites here.
by abbeysbooks on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:43:56 PM PDT


The context makes your comments (4+ / 0-)
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even worse.
by andgarden on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:45:30 PM PDT


And the worst part is that (0+ / 0-)
if you do read them in context you will have to click on all the hidden ones too. a daunting task. Only someone researching these people would want to do it. I have and it's a veritable nest of snarls.
by abbeysbooks on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:45:26 PM PDT


I have now given you this (6+ / 0-)
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comment multiple times with no response from you. I have given you these facts and you continue to ignore them and say that it is some small group. It isn't. You may want to check your behavior to see if it is perhaps influencing people's reaction to you.
By the way, the 91 is now about 96 unique UIDs (I haven't checked since you were at 94 the last time I posted this to you).
You keep claiming this but, having done the research and linked to it so people can check, you are not correct.
by SeattleLiberal on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:57:21 PM PDT

The link provided by Seattle Liberal led to this:

I've got details for you (15+ / 0-)
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and it doesn't bode well for your little theory. I decided since you made the claim that you are being hounded by a few individuals, you must know what you are talking about. But I decided to give you the information you needed to verify it.
I went through all of the comments you have ever had troll rated. You have had, since the time you started posting here, 77 comments have had at least one troll rating. There have been 91 unique UIDs that gave them to you. Many of those individuals are well known to HATE the ratings system, but you managed to cross even their lines. Many I never heard of before.
I get tired of the arguments you are making here because they are patently bullshit. There have been a few users that rated you more than others, but you call them out and have a personal vendetta against them, so I am not surprised by that. The distribution of your ratings has been fairly evenly spread out among those 91 individuals.
91 separate individuals in 77 comments. Your "only 10 mean people hypothesis" is wrong, wrong, wrong.
I have never given you a rating, by the way, but you certainly have managed to piss off a lot of people.
These are the facts and anyone with TU can verify them.
by SeattleLiberal on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:05:53 PM PDT


I didn't call you any names. (2+ / 0-)
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Someone who claims to read all the time should really learn to read.
by clonecone on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 04:51:35 PM PDT

Ok, this next one probably deserved the troll rating. The point of the Reveng of AbbbeysBooks is that she has shown how once one becomes a target of the KosKops, extraordinary efforts including "troll rating on sight" and inside connections with upper level Kos adminins will always lead to the victim's removal from the forum. In short, the Daily Kos is a fascist entity. Abbeysbooks never deserved to be banned. Tens of thousands of people have been unfairly banned by DKos.And that's why I think it is some form of intel, for such a strategy has caused the website's popularity to utterly crash. So what is the rationale behind the Daily Kos, if they aren't into being one of the top websites? Disinformation? Divide and conquer? To be a honey pot?


Barbara why didn't you toilet train (2+ / 2-)
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your little bastard? Or better yet, have an abortion.


Or perhaps it was just dark humour against Barbara and GW Bush.


From an abbeysbooks' tip jar on one of her do it yourself legal diaries:


tipjar (23+ / 2-)
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And go over to the upper right and hit recommend so people can save their property, their lifestyles, their friends, their family.
I think Kunstler would love it too.



I think Adam B is DKos' attorney, not sure. I think Abbeysbooks was targeted for expulsion because she offered the idea that people didn't necessarily need attorneys to work through the system. It'd be akin to myself being on a military forum calling for an 80% reduction in their services.

More Abbeysbooks' comments where she was troll rated:

I've walked thousands of steps in her shoes (3+ / 2-)
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which is why I can say what I have said.
Any normal IQ person living in Bushland would have pulled the plug. The kids set her up knowing that she would freak, try to close the windows and not be able to do it. They must have laughed their butts off.
Any one who has the audacity these days to go in a classroom had better be savvy and cool. Not ernest and sincere and intelligent.
You can bet the farm she voted for Bush.
Now tell her how to cash in. Make the school district eat shit and pay for the privilege.


I'm not sure, but I think Sharon in MD is a real estate attorney. DadaNation, of course, is the KosKop who Abbeysbooks confronted at MyLeftWing only to have the mentally unbalanced Maryscott O'Connor tell her to shut up.




I agree absolutely with you. (2+ / 1-)
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I feel that Clinton was very attracted to Chelsea. She has the kind of mouth he is attracted to if you look at all his women. It is very natural for every father to appreciate and be attracted by his teenaged daughtr, or maybe even son. It is just not all right to act on it. I believe he substituted Monica for his desire for Chelsea which was unconscious to Clinton. I think Bush is not attracted to his daughters and so they have acted out in undesirable ways to get his attention.
The problem comes when fathers cannot acknowledge the sexual attraction. They repress it and this is when you get daughters being beaten for having boyfriends, staying our past curfew,etc. The beating is sexual sadistic perversion for a natural open sexual feeling for the child.
This needs to be communicated to parents.



I see BlackMax likes to give out a lot of ratings. His background is available through his profile. He admits to being pro-military and other bullshit.

Hmmm. It turns out he used to be a staunch Republican. It also turns out that Markos Moulitsas Zuniga is a big supporter of the CIA. Will wonders ever cease?

That's the kind of syncophant the UGOGs liked to turn into useful idiots.



Sorry I really like her (1+ / 1-)
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Let me guess. Mia Dolan is a paid, fake username.



There was a huge snow storm for crissakes (12+ / 1-)
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A low tunout was expected because of the extreme snow drifts,so this looks pretty good to me.


Let me guess. Wystler is another sock puppet. Dana Houle even liked Abbeysbooks' post. Never trust anyone with 666 in their username or email address. :) Wystler can be reached at bb666 !at! comcast dot net. Hmmm, he's still around giving ratings, yet he hasn't written a new diary since September of 2007.



You can email me and I'll give you a list (3+ / 1-)
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The way to find out is to look at the recs when you are attacked. Each time somebody attacks you, troll rates you etc they rec that person and then they have them aboard the train.
There are a group of them and I expect this comment to go into hidden territory as they constantly search to see where I am commenting. They will come when this diary is off the front page and no one is here and then they will load up on comments damning me for saying this until it is hidden.
So I keep a record on my harddrive of before and afters.
The Soviets air brushed group photos when Stalin eliminated someone or sent them to the camps. Just disappeared them. Same here at dkos.
And the diaries the leaders have posted are either non-existent or shallow with cute pictures.
Check back later and see who has dumped on me here and you will know who they are.




Blue Vertigo is a known troll. Abbeysbooks believes she and Lauren S could be the same person based on similar linguistics.




Had she taken the legal seminar (3+ / 1-)
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by Gene Zimmerman that I recently finished, she would never have been in this mess and she could have brought a personal injury suit for the loss of her baby, making millions as it was an expensive pregnancy as I understand it.
Zimmerman will come to you to give it to a minimum of 10 people for $500 for two weeks of 10 hour days and all the backup help you need in the future. Anyone interested in knowing how to protect their rights can email me for his address. I receive nothing for this. I am only a grateful graduate of his seminar.
Now just wait for all the lawyers here to start trashing me again about it.
No the cops won't go on trial, but they could still have huge financial responsibility probably through the city, after this part is over.

Email: feebog@yahoo.com

Lived all my life in So. Cal. Viet Nam era vet. Currently in practice as a labor arbitrator.

There are getting to be a lot of people (11+ / 1-)
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calling others trolls. I see nothing trollish about this diary except the people bashing it in the way they are bashing it. There are starting to be groups of them that do this together.
I am remembering what kos said about this. He has warned us about it. He will not warn the next time; he will act.
I have just gone through a bout of it for my legal seminar diaries this past week. Switching tags and pjorative tags. It is exhausting. It makes you want to go somewhere else where it isn't happening or where it is forcefully forbidden.
I have used more troll ratings this past month than in the past three years. I don't think this is accidental. I didn't expect it to happen in this diary. I thought it was just me since I have a history of being a target for aggression.





The vigilantes are out in full force I see (10+ / 1-)
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Just because the massacre involved Americans does not change anything. They are dead. Just as Iraqis are dead. Just as Cindy's son is dead. This boy Cho was growig up in a time of government sanctioned violence. Our government is setting an example that young emotional people are likely to follow. Cho will not be the last. And there will be worse to come. When you mourn them you are really mourning the loss of innocence in this country.
The feeling of safety and peace, tranquility, purpose that one gts walking through a college campus is a lovely thing. I am sure large city universities now have lots of security in place. I will miss being able to walk into a campus, go to a film club showing, enter the library without showing ID and justifying why I am there. I don't expect that freedom to continue for me.



Strange. Mia Dolan is still at DKos yet hasn't made a new diary since March of 2006. She's a fake.



Actually you have touched on one of the variables (5+ / 1-)
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of this massacre. We are now living in a milieu where the media talks about dead Iraqis without a blink of sympathy. It is part of the Zeitgeist now and we are breathing it. How much worse for a young student, Asian, whose parents work in a dry cleaning establishment and have sent a daughter to Princeton and a son to VT. Not too shabby.
To a young person with emotional problems the present day carnage we are causing in the middle east does not set an example we would want our young people to emulate. Now does it?
If they want to get at the bottom of these killings, let them really examine the true issues. They won't.
Why is it permitted for Bush to kill 650K Iraqis, many women and children, and an entire country not string him up lynching style. Because it is governenment doing it, it is accepted. If we do not object we condone it.
This is Edwards strength, his lawyer training. If you don't object, you accept. Very simple. You must object.
This boy was projecting his rage in the way he sees the superiors in goverment projecting theirs. Only they do not do it themselves (except Cheney)they force others to do it. The behavior of our troops in many cases is the same as Cho's behavior. Only theirs is sanctioned, it is official, so there is no punishment. Except when an example must be made to appease those who object.


Here's another sequence where an abbeysbooks' post led to her getting swarmed by the 'political consultants/lawyers'.


In Germany as Hitler was coming to power (3+ / 1-)
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there were really hideous crimes. People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.
This is so rotten that it predicts our future.
by abbeysbooks


Um, Ben . . . (7+ / 0-)
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You might want to be a bit more careful about just who you hand mojo to.
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 07:03:34 PM PDT


And dig this (1+ / 0-)
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{Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket}
What, Trashablanca's special or somethin? I want one of those!
by blue vertigo on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 09:59:25 PM PDT


People uprated that? (0+ / 0-)
Geez. If that one hasn't been hidden yet I'm willing to recycle a d0nut for it. Got the link?
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:08:54 PM PDT


Oops. (0+ / 0-)
That's what happens when you come in through hidden comments. No link necessary. When I find a d0nut I'm gonna drop it on this one.
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:12:28 PM PDT



TREd for this preposterous claim: (1+ / 0-)
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People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.
Got a link for that one?
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:28:32 PM PDT


Yes I do (0+ / 0-)
From Christopher Isherwood's Berlin Stories. I have sold the book and do not have the page number as I have no more editions of his book.
by abbeysbooks on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:39:13 PM PDT


Um . . . (1+ / 0-)
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abbey, you do understand that Isherwood was writing fiction, don't you? I'm sure he got many of his ideas from his life experiences but you can't use a fictional event in one of his stories to prove that the event actually happened. This is kinda important as it was a Ronnie Raygun specialty.
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:43:24 PM PDT


Isherwood wrote both fiction and non-fiction (0+ / 0-)
and Berlin Stories has both in it. He tells of the hidden strength of the labor movement that did not realize their own power at the time and so the brown shirt SS vigilantes won. Hmmmmmmmm.
Also in Berlin Stories is his return after the war when Berlin was all rubble. He visits his old landlady and she is glad to see him. But everything he loved is gone: the cafes, everything.
by abbeysbooks on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:50:09 PM PDT


abbey . . . (0+ / 0-)
I've read quite a bit about Weimar and Nazi Germany and I've never seen the claim that people were murdered in their homes, canned and sold for meat. If you want to make such a claim I suggest that you find a legitimate link for it. Isherwood was telling a story, perhaps using a metaphor and you tend to believe things too easily.
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:54:44 PM PDT


You are confused (0+ / 0-)
I did not say people were murdered in their homes. What I said was:
there were really hideous crimes. People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.
To be more detailed a particular serial killer lured mostly young girls in his apartment, murdered them, canned them and sold them as meat. The people were starving at that time, no one had money or food, and inflation was outrageous.
When Isherwood writes of visiting his old landlady and telling what was left of the block after the war, that is not fiction. His retelling of newspaper articles was not fiction. Berlin Storiesis a mixture. Just because he uses the name stories in the title does not mean all of it is fiction. That would be rather a fundamentalist literary interpretation, don't you think?
by abbeysbooks on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 11:11:09 PM PDT


abbey . . . (1+ / 0-)
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we are not talking about his landlady here we are talking about whether your comment:

People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.

Is based on fact. For one thing you provide no link to demonstrate that this happened even once. Then you magnify that error by exaggerating it, turning one presumably nutso serial killer into "people". The "meat processing and sale" claim is the part I really would like you to document. This could be a teachable moment.
posted by political operative and internet fake, Michael Fingerit



There was a screenshot in one of the above comments showing how Trashablanca had been the lone person of four troll rating Abbeysbooks. Abbey has explained how these people would even speak out loud about their KosKop maneuvers. It's true. They did it to me, wondering aloud when the admin wiould be hammer banning me. This is the photobucket address for the screenshot.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/kimonthejourney/thedreadedminus1.jpg

That's odd. Kim. The UGOGs have said that Lauren S is Kimberley Stone. Abbeysbooks believes that Blue Vertigo is Lauren S based on writing patterns. Wow! Blue Vertigo's first name appears to be Kimberly.



More of Abbeysbooks' posts that got troll rated. keep in mind that the good stuff is hidden from the masses and can only be seen by 'trusted users'.


Stop name calling. At least here. (2+ / 1-)
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{oops- deleted the post title by accident}
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It's also going on with our military in Iraq on both sides of the fence. And I get this from a film In Their Own Words.
They admitted to multiple and continuous atrocities.



aah, here we can see that Denali, another KosKop, was in the mix. I now see him as also being a concern troll. He used to show Dave some support at DFQ's. He troll-rated Abbeysbooks. But one needs to look through the whole subthread to get the context.

Abbey even gave him a good rating for the following. Abbeysbooks is an intellectual. They are not wanted at DKos or anywhere on the internet.


Denali:
You're an armchair historian (3+ / 0-)
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I come from more or less a military family. I say more or less because a few had military careers, but most have served one time or another.
Until you have had bullets fly past you intended to snuff out your life like some useless dog in the middle of a field or have seen life snuffed out in the same manner... you can talk as wise and strong as you want about those men, but you will never understand them.
Please come out of the novels and join us in the real world.
Blaming the troops is so 60's.


Here are more Abbeysbooks' posts that got unfair troll rates:

Anybody know any insurgents? (11+ / 1-)
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Hidden by: Politburo


Politburo appears to be another fake name or tool. His last diary was in December of 2005, yet he's still going strong to this day at DKos.



Me too as the brownshirts are here (3+ / 1-)
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They take comments out of context that are damning all alone and get others to go along with them.
I can't get at my hidden comments but they've got them over 94 now and can't understand why auto banning isn't kicking in.
You will go back later and everythig you wrote is hidden and the thread looks smooth sailing.


Here's the last troll-rated one that is visible.


There are enough thugs here at dkos (3+ / 1-)
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so maybe we should clean our own house first.



Somebody here must have really PO'd you... (0+ / 0-)
...for you just keep repeating that line about the DKos "thugs". What are you referring to?
by Larry Bailey on Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 03:53:37 AM PDT


The first comment in this thread? (1+ / 0-)
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The various other comments that refer to violence? The name-calling?
There is a lot of it here. The ONLY difference is "our" guys are on the proper side of the issues. But, conservatives really believe they are too. So, is the method proper if you think you're right? The answer is no.
by PsychoSavannah on Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 05:23:18 AM PDT

Fingerit/Cointelpro {pt. 1}

The astroturfers are scrambling to make this whole thing seem like personal vendettas between anonymous usernames. Perhaps if one were to just go with Fingerit's attacks on Dave with his Lessons of Long Island diary, this ruse could continue. There one can see how Fingerit supported rightwingers like Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. They can see how the top Kos administrators punished Dave and gave this MajorFlaw of a human their support. Maybe even though Fingerit was clearly sidetracking the essence of Dave's essay, it could be seen as some kind of immature give and take.

I've been very curious what started the animosity between Dave and MajorFlaw/Ugog. I figured it out yesterday. The origination of the bad blood confirms that Fingerit supports rightwing hate radio and wanted to knock the effective activist down.


Bookstore Event Cancelled, Wingnut Urges Listeners to Harass Me

{diary and thread excerpts}

Mark Levin's (buddy of Rush, sidekick of Hannity) book signing scheduled for December 1st in Ridgewood has been cancelled. Levin then spent 45 minutes engaging in a verbal tirade and urging his listeners to go harass me, rhetoric which is inviting not only very serious legal action tens of times more serious than what has already occurred but possible legitimate polic action as well. This cancellation came after one of Levin's wingnuts "Pete From Long Island" posted for several hours on Levin's website that I should be "coldcocked" but only after the "cameras are taken out first." But instead of denouncing Pete from Long Island, Levin makes Pete from LI his 2nd phone caller of the show.

Levin then argues that my "entire biography" should be posted online, including my address, phone number, places of work, etc... Although worded coyly, Levin is basically urging his listeners to go out there and act like brownshirts. You can hear the disturbing audio here. Basically, the audio is full of name calling and incitement. It's very low, even for a dirtbag like Levin....

what inspired people to plan to go to Bookends Saturday? Was it me? No. There were calls across the internet for action prior to yesterday by many people whom I do not know. What motivated people was righteous outrage at Levin, Boyce, and Hannity for trying to have someone arrested because they didn't like my politics and were afraid of a question they thought I was going to ask. Regardless of politics, this touched a raw nerve in people and rightly so. There's no defense for Boyce, Levin, and Hannity and they know it and their lawyers know it.

Third, there's a fine but firm line between a public forum and a private business. A private business that invites people to its store for a big event is not the same as some New York City law firm that has an employee doing legal related work. The law firm isn't inviting anyone to its place just as Levin isn't inviting anyone to go stand outside his studio while he's broadcasting. Nobody on this site has advocated going to any bookowner's house, Levin's house, Hannity's house, Levin's business office, Hannity's business office, Boyce's residence, etc... For Levin to advocate that his Insanitized skinhead and neo nazi thugs should somehow harass me at truly private places such as a workplace that is not a public forum or my home which is not open to public events is way beyond the pale....

Dave's tip jar:

again, sunlight is needed (399+ / 0-)
These KKK and brownshirt tactics of Levin and company have to be confronted head on.

I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007

Even Michael Bouldin gave Dave kudos.

Wow. (88+ / 0-)
Isn't it, like, illegal, to incite violence over the airwaves? That's sure what this sounds like.

Interesting, though, that media figures, who by their nature seek mass public exposure, are now recoiling from that public. Not that this says anything about the essential hollowness and depravity of wingnuttery, of course.

Good luck. Tipped and Rec'd.

Then the digital brownshirts started to show up.

bugscuffle: whoa dude, you're kinda obsessed.

That was recommended by fifteen usernames including MajorFlaw.

Then MajorFlaw: The diarist is at least as responsible (11+ / 1-)
for his predicament as Hannity/Levin are. He repeatedly chooses to escalate and fan the flames. There's nothing to be proud of here.


yep blame the rape victim (15+ / 0-)
for the rape, nice mentality.
shame on you

by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:51:29 AM PDT


that is seriously f'ed up (15+ / 0-)
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Did you just compare yourself to a rape victim?
Pathetic.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:36 AM PDT


Guess You Never Heard Of Analogies, Huh? (5+ / 0-)
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What's really pathetic, is to read this diary and the comments, and then come in with he said he was raped. Now, that's pathetic!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:04:16 AM PDT


and you've never heard of appropriateness or (6+ / 0-)
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proportion, it seems.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:38 AM PDT


I Have, When I'm Being Fitted By A Tailor! (2+ / 0-)
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But, this is a Diary about confronting the Right-Wing.
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:22:19 AM PDT


The comparision is appropriate (4+ / 0-)
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The diarist was threatened with physical harm from a major media personality.
by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:08:57 AM PDT


probably (1+ / 0-)
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had he simply said " victim", that would be better. As I do agree with Dave, he is the victim in all of this. It was just the rape victim thing that some of us object to. Other than that, I totally agree with Dave.
by wishingwell on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:39:02 AM PDT


I agree with you (6+ / 0-)
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I was trying to show the mentality and yes there is no comparison between rape and what happened to me.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:44:03 AM PDT


You are not any sort of victim. (12+ / 3-)
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You chose the field of battle and you chose to engage. IIRC, the worst of it was that you spent about ten minutes speaking with some friendly police officers. Victim, huh? Get over yourself.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:54:51 AM PDT


Bad d0nut, Dave. (3+ / 0-)
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Kinda sorta looks like ratings abuse.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:09:33 AM PDT


I'm sure YOU think so. (1+ / 0-)
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Victim, huh? Get over yourself.

That's called an ad hominem attack with nothing of substance to back it up. Sure, he chose to engage - and he was alone, with no camera, no t-shirt, no sign, and stood politely on line - but he never actually got the chance to ask his question before the police were called, which is a draconian solution. He IS a victim in that regard, and I believe he will have his day in court.

As for you, I believe you will have another donut. You're earning them. You're also making it very, very clear what your real agenda is in this forum. Taste some more of your own medicine, netkopp.
by Randgrithr



seems an opinion, (5+ / 0-)
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not an attack; uprated.
by condoleaser on Tue Nov 27, 2007




Who is CondoLeaser? Lloyd Lachow, #2 UGOG

WhoIsCondo: Dailykos kop. Lost his license in Colorado for sexually assaulting a patient. Moved to Maryland to escape shame.

You weren't raped, Dude. (19+ / 8-)
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You chose to show up at a Hannity event and while there, stalked him with contextually trollish and obnoxious questions. They went overboard by calling the gendarmerie--which gave you the incident you wanted. Since then you have trashed any shot at a civil lawsuit by opening your big fucking mouth (legal term of art) all over the internets.

You are very much the master of your own fate here and you love being the center of attention. Don't further embarrass yourself by crying, "rape".
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:01:06 AM PDT


Appearing in a public forum (7+ / 0-)
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means you have to be able to handle questions from people who don't agree with you. And asking such questions is about as equivalent to "stalking" as his situation is to rape.

If you don't like draconian metaphor, don't use it.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:05:10 AM PDT



Well Looky Here, We Have An Expert On: (5+ / 0-)
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"contextually trollish and obnoxious!" Good go!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:07:31 AM PDT


I would defend them. (3+ / 0-)
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When someone incites others, as in:

I'm asking (admittedly selfishly) that thousands of leftists, progressives, centrists, liberals, and non right wing conservatives show up at Bookends (232 East Ridgewood Avenue) in Ridgewood, New Jersey (about 15 minutes from George Washington Bridge) on Saturday December 1st way before 1 p.m. for an opportunity to observe what the Republican Party's de facto main media propagandist Sean Hannity and his friends and audience are truly like. I am going by myself and perhaps a few other people will either accompany me directly or be there at my request. I'm not going as part of any known group so if other groups show up, they show up on their own volition.

They invite a stronger reaction. I wouldn't mind another d0nut on the above comment to enable TUs to discuss this further. This diarist does not deserve our sympathy.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:33:01 AM PDT



I don't want (5+ / 0-)
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nor need his sympathy
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:39:28 AM PDT


You obviously want someone's sympathy (0+ / 0-)
else why write about this here
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:09 AM PDT




How is Fingerit not a paid troll? This was the first time there was any bad blood between these people according to Fingerit's own words. In another thread from late 2008, MajorFlaw explained how Dave initially ticked him off in this specific diary.




not TRing this comment (6+ / 0-)
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b/c there's nothing to TR

But I do think it's a great idea that when threats are posted about you on a website and you are going to go to a public event, to have people watching or using my word observing.

If you read everything I post I urged nothing but peace.

Although I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be, I'm glad he didn't listen to people like you.

You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:38:56 AM PDT



Strangely enough, Michael Bouldin recommended the next idiotic troll post by Fingerit. Hmmm. Good old bait and switch from a fellow UGOG back in 2007.



You're quite a piece of work. (9+ / 2-)
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I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be

You got that right. Even mentioning Dr. King in this context is absurd.

You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge.

Got passive aggressive? Nope, not biting.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:50 AM PDT


users need to learn about TR .. (13+ / 0-)
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they are having a discussion. this is not a troll.
the irony is they are defending against the "brownshirts" by hiding comments.
OH IRONY!
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:56:10 AM PDT


"Stalking" is a personal attack. (9+ / 0-)
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You accused him of an unethical and criminal act. His actions do not meet either definition. Attending a public event in a place of business that has been advertised can not be considered stalking. Was the guy from Webb's campaign who Allen called "macaca" a stalker?

Furthermore, since when is "your big fucking mouth" a legal term of art?

Finally, he didn't cry "rape" and you know it. He used an inappropriate analogy, but spare me the PC gotcha. No reasonable person would conclude that he really intended to compare his experience to the trauma and dehumanization of being raped.

Here's a legal term of art for you: Give me a big fat fucking break!
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:53:15 AM PDT



"Stalking". (5+ / 0-)
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My Previous History With Hannity
Exposing Sean Hannity
NYC/LI Action Alert - "Meet" Sean Hannity Today
NEW Update + VIDEO - and yes I will sue
Why I MUST Be Public About This (BIG UPDATE)

But, of course

It's Not About Me

Sorry, the word fits.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:31:18 AM PDT



Sorry, no. (3+ / 0-)
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by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:55:39 AM PDT



wow, that is so logically brilliant (4+ / 0-)
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Call the police, some reporter at the NY Times has probably written at least 7 stories invoking the name Bill clinton or george Bush.

Must be a stalker.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:37:47 AM PDT


You are not a reporter, you are not employed by (4+ / 0-)
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any campaign and you do not represent any group. You are a guy who chooses to express his political opposition by calling RW talk shows and appearing at RW events. That part is fair enough, although I don't see its efficacy. But your fixation on Hannity--as demonstrated by your own diaries and comments--is more than that.

You got the response you wanted both there and here but those of us who've been around for a while recognize your stunts and self promotion for what they are. Bookmark this thread and reread it when your legal matter has been resolved. I always take the long view ;-)
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:53:26 AM PDT


How does giving a TR make one a patriot (or not)? (1+ / 0-)
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That was pretty random.

I'll tell you why I didn't give you a TR, though. It's because I don't want the comment to go hidden. I want it out where everyone can see it, along with my reply.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:34:38 AM PDT


I'd like it to be seen as well . . . (0+ / 0-)
preferably by TUs. Did you see the diarist's video yet?

Still want to adopt this one?
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:36:51 AM PDT


I had nothing to do with that guy (9+ / 0-)
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That's someone else, never met him,

the only time u see me on camera is with the 2 police officers.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:20 AM PDT



Oh. (3+ / 0-)
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I'd been thinking you were an Alex Jones nutjob for a while now. My apologies!
by twalling on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:41:03 AM PDT



ty for the apology (8+ / 0-)
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at least when shown evidence you follow it.

It'd be nice if the other guy, now being given the proof that I had nothing to do with that guy in the car or the guy filming the video, to do the same.

interestingly, it's the guy in the car who it could be argued tangently who caused a disturbance but you don't hear a peep from Hannity or Levin.

So why are they attacking the guy who didn't create any disturbance whatsoever and not saying a word about the wearechange guy?
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:37 AM PDT


Because although they say they do not (7+ / 0-)
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visit this site, their many followers and aides do and they know who you are, that you post diaries on this site and are very vocal about your political leanings, so they have a face to attack so to speak. That other guy is nothing to them unless he posts about the occurance and might actually have a following, like you have now.

I agree with you, I am tired of bowing down to the wingnuts and turning the other check everytime I am called a traitor. I feel that some on the left absolutely need to get down in the mud with the wingnuts. This is not a level playing field so why should we try our hardest to make it so? Often times the results of this pandering to the wingnuts makes us look soft-i.e soft on terror(and I know our fight is with obl, not terror). Let them throw the first punch, but respond with force. But I am a dem from the south, so fightin is in my blood.
by meatwad420 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:34:55 AM PDT



The diarist appears briefly in this video (6+ / 0-)
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It was not made by him. It was made by some 9/11 Truthout people who also attended, and he only found out about it after the fact. If you read the back diaries you would have known that.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:56 AM PDT


and additionally (5+ / 0-)
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Levin and Hannity have not attacked him even though he is the one who had a tussle with security with a camera in the face.

I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:45:34 AM PDT


I got the video from the diarist. (1+ / 0-)
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See.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:46:11 AM PDT



It's clear you didn't read the diary (7+ / 0-)
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or you would have known it wasn't his own video. He posted it after the fact.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:48:13 AM PDT


Yes I linked the video (3+ / 0-)
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which I found out after the fact existed.

Why?

Because sometimes people write diaries claiming to have been somewhere when they were not.

The video, and my presence in it, however brief and tangental, served as confirmation of my presence there.

Simple as that.

Again I had nothing to do with that guy and only learned about that video 2 days later and accidentally.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:49:16 AM PDT



Have you ever been raped, Dave? (9+ / 0-)
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I mean raped, dragged by some big hairy ape who is 100 pounds heavier than you, had your clothes torn off your body, punched and kicked until your bones are shattered, then forcibly violated by a foul mouthed, alcohol stenched animal violates you? Then left for dead near some trash dumpster until someone mercifully walks by? Unless you've experienced that, I don't think your analogy is close.
by tazz on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:05:53 AM PDT



no (7+ / 0-)
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I'm talking about the mentality and that's the best example I could come up with.

I'm not equating the two.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:33:59 AM PDT


maybe not the best metaphor (3+ / 0-)
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But the victim mentality is huge.

White average joe American claiming he is being victimized? Lets be serious. We all have our points to why we feel we're being screwed but for them to claim they're being discriminated against without any real reason for their white male-ness is so patently absurd it makes me think it's a way they're masking their own racism that still dwells inside of them. Seems like it's evolved from open racism to a form of open self-persecution. Very bizzare, makes me wonder if there's a psychological nomenclature for this sort of behavior.
by danger durden on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:26:58 AM PDT



Oh please... can you BE anymore melodramatic.. (6+ / 0-)
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about this? Keerist! The man simply made a metaphor, not the best, but for gawd's sake, why must you dip into a pail of shit like this to make your point? Your response is worse than his metaphor by a mile.
by Hornito on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:22:44 PM PDT



Standing Up To Right-Wing Thugs, Takes Courage. (9+ / 0-)
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Try it, sometime!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:16 AM PDT


The diarist asked a question and was (15+ / 0-)
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detained and questioned by the police. Are you seriously questioning whether he should be addressing this? He must absolutely address this.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:56:10 AM PDT


Um . . . (1+ / 0-)
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The diarist asked a question and was detained and questioned by the police.

That is what we lawyer critters call a persuasive statement of facts. As opposed to an objective statement of facts. Wasn't quite that simple.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:03:35 AM PDT


{continued}

Fingerit/Cointelpro {pt. 2}

Well, color me stupid, but what I described (9+ / 0-)
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is what the diarist said happened. Question, detained, questioned by police.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:31 AM PDT


{to MajorFlaw}

good thing we don't rely on u for legal counsel (16+ / 0-)
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a real good thing
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:11:45 AM PDT


Who offered? (3+ / 0-)
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You think I need this kind of shit? Really, when the smoke clears let's see what you get out of it.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:16:46 AM PDT


I don't think that's the point. (6+ / 0-)
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I think he's not out to get money primarily, I think he's out to get a wee bit of justice in a country where thuggish bastards still dominate.
by Pris from LA on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:55 AM PDT


thanks (3+ / 0-)
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and if he had read the end of the diary, I basically have given both chickenhawks a full way out because it's more about justice than money. However, I have no problem having them put on a witness stand or called for a deposition and having them torn apart for their lies and thuggery.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:49:28 AM PDT


Really? (4+ / 0-)
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How do you define justice? My version doesn't include frivolous lawsuits and stalking RW figures. His intentions may be honorable but his approach is not part of any solution. I'm just taking the opportunity to disassociate myself from him and his actions.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:58:23 AM PDT



frivolous lawsuits? (8+ / 0-)
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First, none has been filed yet. And since my SOL runs a year, don't call a lawsuit frivolous when there is none.

Second, I've only sued someone once before and trust me, you couldn't have more compelling facts and evidence than what I had/have. (Not discussing this so don't ask.)

Third, I know the elements of false imprisonment in the state of NY and they match up like a tee to what Boyce did.

And guess what? Their lawyers know it too which is why they are losing their minds over me. Why would he spend 40 minutes of his nationally syndicated show yesterday on me otherwise?

I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:10:16 AM PDT




A lot of people were sticking up for Dave.




Nah, I don't think so. (5+ / 0-)
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I think you're getting your rocks off being sanctimonious and contrarian. If you only wanted to "disassociate [yourself] from him and his actions", you would have posted a reasoned rebuttle and walked away.

Sorry, man, but you're jonesing for this shit big time. Mebbe you should think about cutting back on the caffeine.
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:02:48 AM PDT





WHY WERE THESE OTHER "PEOPLE" ATTACKING HIM? WHY WERE THEY MAKING HIM OUT TO BE SOME OBSESSED, DRAMA QUEEN/KING LOOKING FOR 15 MINUTES OF FAME? FINGERIT, SUE ME FOR THINKING YOU ARE COINTELPRO. YOU ARE AN EVIL PERSON, IN MY HONEST OPINION. YOU CAME AFTER ME FOR MY DIARIES AS PREPOSTERICITY. YOU GOT ME BANNED FOR NO GOOD REASON FOR TELLING TRUTHS ABOUT BRETT KIMBERLIN AND LARISA ALEXANDROVNA. NOW I SEE HOW YOU WERE AFFILIATED WITH THAT ELECTION INTEGRITY CROWD. THE GIG'S UP. YOU COULD EVEN GET THE SPEEDWAY BOMBER, MR. PROLIFIC JAILHOUSE LAWYER, TO HELP YOU FILE THE CASE. BUT GUESS WHAT? NO ONE CAN BE SUCCESSFULLY SUED FOR SLANDER IF IT'S THE TRUTH.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE JUDGE WOULD THINK OF YOUR UGOG FILES?

pdf link to the secret diary of the kostapo




Levin gave the real answer (15+ / 0-)
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He said he's afraid of them being put up on You Tube and portrayed as racist and Hitlerian. (his words not mine)

At least he knows his audience.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:37:52 AM PDT


Look at me! Look at me! (8+ / 0-)
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Why is this on the rec list? Do this guy's personal ambitions really matter all that much to dKos?
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:12:30 AM PDT


Sadly, you don't get it (32+ / 0-)
The hate-mongering by the right continues because NO ONE stands up to them. DFQ is standing up. And rightly so.
by donnamarie on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:23:49 AM PDT


uh, yeah (4+ / 0-)
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He's really standing up to them and making it all go away with imaginary legal claims.

Dude's tilting at windmills, and you're standing there yelling "slay the dragon!"

Great job.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:47:47 AM PDT


asdf (6+ / 0-)
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Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about? Go back and read Dave's previous diaries.
by donnamarie on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:58:57 AM PDT


I'm not the clueless one here (16+ / 4-)
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But lucky for Dave, there appears to be no shortage of the clueless on this matter.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:08:11 AM PDT


tell me now, Karen Wehrstein (1+ / 0-)
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why you thought that qualified as a troll. I really am interested.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:12:17 AM PDT


Personal attack n/t (7+ / 0-) Recommended by: {mrkvica, maybeeso in michigan, proudprogressiveCA, danger durden, BlueInARedState, Randgrithr, Pris from LA}
by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:18:07 AM PDT


that really is ridiculous (8+ / 0-)
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there's a gross amount of clueless threading through the entire story.

But wait, was me calling your TR'ing ridiculous a personal attack, too?
Oh, noes. There goes the internets.

Christ on a pogo stick, I'm sometimes appalled by my fellow Kossacks.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:35:59 AM PDT



No -- (3+ / 0-)
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I don't interpret your calling my TR'ing ridiculous a personal attack, because it refers to an action of mine, not my worth or qualities as a person.

However you called multiple people on this comment thread "clueless," which does refer to their qualities as people, and that's a personal attack.

It's a simple distinction and the one I always use when [deciding] whether to troll rate.
by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:17 AM PDT



clueless refers to a state of mind (11+ / 1-)
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not to your person

stop trying to hide comments and censure debate.

it is the last refuge of the weak minded.

is that a personal attack as well? it could be interpreted that i called you weak minded due to your tendency to attempt to censor posts you disagree with.
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:31 AM PDT


She alone does not have the ability (1+ / 0-)
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to censor posts.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:01:23 AM PDT



"attempt to censor post" (4+ / 0-)
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and you two should get a room.
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:01:09 AM PDT



Censoring posts (1+ / 0-)
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is something that the forum does automatically after four troll ratings. Read the FAQ. Indicating that you think a comment is troll-worthy is not an attempt to censor, and the comments are still visible to trusted users.

I don't know Karen, and I'm quite happily married, but thank you for the gratuitous and insulting inference that we have some sort of relationship beyond agreeing that you're being obnoxious. It only serves to confirm that observation.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:49:03 AM PDT



Yes, "weakminded" is a personal attack n/t (1+ / 0-)
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by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:50:53 AM PDT


Man, that is one ugly d0nut. (4+ / 0-)
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If I hadn't lost TU upthread I'd drop one for ratings abuse. Uprated.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:28:16 AM PDT



Ad hominems with no substance behind them (2+ / 0-)
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If that's not trolling I don't know what is.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:23 AM PDT


Serves you right, troll. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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by Pris from LA on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:50:25 AM PDT



Now that isn't very neighborly. (5+ / 0-)
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It appears that some folk have been waiting to catch me unarmed.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:55:03 AM PDT



Heh. (5+ / 0-)
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I note a high correlation between the abuse of troll rating and this series of diaries.

Common thread of cluelessness?

Just maybe.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:21:02 AM PDT


I didn't have to wait at all (0+ / 0-)

You did it to yourself. Have I made that clear? Let me say it again: you did it to yourself.

Enjoy.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:59:24 AM PDT


You'd be one of the "folk" in question. (2+ / 0-)
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Enjoy it while you can.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:03:33 AM PDT


That sounds like a threat (0+ / 0-)

Like I said, you did it to yourself - and I am sure you will again, from the sound of things, because it's clear there are some things you're incapable of learning.

And while frankly you don't matter to me worth a sideways damn, I do enjoy it to the degree that it's great to see a netkopp being told he's off the case and to turn in his gun and badge. The system is fair, even if you're not. You'll get yours - and it probably won't even have to be from me, which is the best part.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:07:39 AM PDT


I'm not sure what facts you are looking at. (5+ / 0-)
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I've picked up 5-7 d0nuts here--which has temporarily turned off my TU. The "while you can" part refers to its imminent return and nothing else. Not one of my comments here has been hidden and each received more Recs than d0nuts thus I do not appear headed towards the autoban. I guess you're used to settling for small victories. Enjoy it.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:19:00 AM PDT



You earned everyone of those TR's too (1+ / 0-)
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by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:29:38 AM PDT


I'm afraid we're gonna disagree about that, Ma'am (5+ / 0-)
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by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:34:04 AM PDT


disgusting (2+ / 0-)
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nt
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:49:10 PM PDT



The "victory" I'm "settling" for (0+ / 0-)
is exactly proportional to the amount of ego you have invested in this argument, and that is clearly not small given the sheer amount of energy you've devoted to fomenting angst, insult and pointless argument in this and other threads.

You're the one looking for "victories". I am merely rejoicing in the enactment of very real justice. There is a difference - something you have yet to learn; which is a great deal of the problem, but it's YOUR problem. "The abyss also looks into you", to quote a phrase.

So you can take this and turn it into a personal vendetta, or you can actually take a step back and consider what you yourself are doing wrong. I don't really care which. One will eventually get you autobanned, and the other won't. It would be nice to see you making some sort of attempt to contribute to the community, but especially after what I've seen here today from you, I'm not holding my breath.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:36:30 AM PDT


blech! (3+ / 0-)
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Some of the people replying to you here are starting to devolve into Usenet territory: petulant, retaliatory and nose-wrinklingly childish--maybe you better scram while the scamming's good.

FWIW, I suspect you're right about this whole situation; while it's probably not worth your bothering with, I've appreciated your input.

God bless our tinfoil hearts.
by aitchdee on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:48:54 PM PDT


By some reckoning, wouldn't (1+ / 0-)
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calling you a troll be a personal attack and worthy of a donut?
by Over the Edge on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:48:16 PM PDT


I would think so. (1+ / 0-)
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My TU is back on so I could drop a d0nut myself but as it was me he called a "troll" I oughta leave it to others.
by MajorFlaw on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 07:33:07 AM PDT



don't tase me bro (5+ / 0-)
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Is there much difference between DFQ's antics and the don't tase me bro guy (although he hasn't wrestled with cops yet)

Nobody likes the grandstander at any event. The person who comes to "tell you a question." Putting these diaries as the #1 recommended demeans this site. It looks like a 9th grader's antics against a rival clique, or worse, like the freepers.
by chick ghandil on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:27:45 AM PDT





Remember above how Bouldin {MBNYC} gave contradictory rates, like a bait and switch. In the UGOG files, they talked about throwing people off the scentg this way. Abbeysbooks believes that Blu Vertigo might be Lauren S from the FSZ.





No, there are several differences. (2+ / 0-)
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The don't tase me bro guy refused to stop talking, was asked to leave by a legitimate authority, and didn't leave. DFQ was never asked to leave by the store manager, but agreed to after it was all over. The person who called 911 had no standing to do so.
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:11:51 AM PDT


This is sort of a On The Road with Dave (18+ / 0-)
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ongoing series. He is having quite serious fun with Faux guys, and I, for one, am enjoying the trip.
by JFinNe on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:25:22 AM PDT




With the way soapblox software works, posts underneath each other don't necessarily mean they are for one another. But I think folks should be able to get the gist of how this thread went. When in doubt, hit the [parent] button.



You must have missed the entire thing (13+ / 0-)
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He went to a Mark Levin book signing to ask him a question. Hannity's manager called the police - they were in a "No Question Zone" obviously. Dave is considering legal action against them for various reasons. Levin is losing his mind, and he is upping the ante by calling on his listeners to harass Dave at home and his place of business.

If anything happens to Dave, Levin is is deep trouble.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:50:59 AM PDT



no, I saw the whole diary here, and that's what (7+ / 0-)
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is so disappointing about this. It's completely ridiculous, and the reaction here was only slightly more thoughtful than I'd expect from a Mark Levin book signing audience.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:54:28 AM PDT


What a steaming pile of shit! (3+ / 0-)
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When did DFQ threaten anyone with physical violence? When did he incite people to go after anyone? When did anyone here say that Levin's fans deserved any of the things that they threaten us with.

False equivalency anyone?
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:13:59 AM PDT



Sui Juris has never done anything but flamebait (1+ / 0-)
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That is his entire history here on DKos. Nothing but trolling and flamebaiting. Nothing to contribute at all.
by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:31:57 AM PDT



Thank you. (0+ / 0-)
I was afraid that I was the only one who thought he was an asshat.
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:42:21 AM PDT



COME ON MICHAEL FINGERIT, SUE ME FOR EXPOSING YOU AS APPEARING TO BE SOME FORM OF SPOOK. WHAT PROGRESSIVE WOULD EVER ATTACK A MAN FOR GOING AFTER RIGHTWING HATE RADIO? THE DAILY KOS PROTECTED THIS GUY. THEY ENDORSED HIS ACTIVITIES. DAVE WENT THROUGH ALL THE PROPER CHANNELS LOOKING FOR JUSTICE. MARKOS MOULITSAS ZUNIGA, WHO BELIEVES THE CIA IS A LIBERAL ORGANIZATION, NEVER SHOWED UP FOR ANY OF DAVE'S DIARIES UNTIL HIS LAST ONE, TO CALL HIM SOME FORM OF DRAMA QUEEN/KING.

IS THERE ANY REASON WHY KEITH OLBERMANN IS STILL POSTING THERE? SORRY FOR THE CAPITAL LETTERS, BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. ANYONE WITH DIGNITY WANT TO JOIN IN AND HELP GET DAILYKOS COMPLETELY EXPOSED ONCE AND FOR ALL? WHERE IS THE CAVALRY? COME ON GOOD PEOPLE. WAKE THE FUCK UP. DAVE WAS A HERO. MICHAEL FINGERIT REEKS OF SOME FORM OF MODERN DAY COINTELPRO. SO DOES MARKOS MOULITSAS ZUNIGA.





The CIA Truth about Kos - Daily Kos






Kos's Missing Time Gap - Daily Kos CIA Truth






Kos's Anti-Gay Article Disapears!?! - Daily Kos CIA Truth

DKos Disinfo Racket Includes the Undermining of Democratic Processes at the Democratic Underground

Dave was targeted for astroturfed ridicule precisely because he was willing to get beyond mundane meta-wars among anonymous usernames. Not only did he find the UGOG files, he figured out real names. Not only did he prove that such people have been manipulating the Daily Kos, he showed how such activities were being encouraged and sanctioned by upper level administrators including Markos Moulitsas Zuniga.

Dave put his heart and soul into being a blogger. He desired for on-line activism to equate into gains in real life democratic processes. He was not obsessed. He had stumbled onto insidious activities preventing such lofty goals. That is why he had been attacked so viciously.

Dave eventually ventured over to the Democratic Underground. Unfortunately, he had no idea at the time that he was stepping into the same exact hornets' nest that exists at Daily Kos. Correct that, he probably had an inkling, as MajorFlaw {Michael Fingerit} had admitted to being a DU moderator in the UGOG files.

I wish I had gotten to known Dave a lot earlier than I did. Perhaps myself and others could have shown him support which perhaps could have lessened the strain he must have been going through. No one likes to be labelled as obsessed or as a kooky conspiracy theorist. No one likes to have their words and works twisted around. No one likes to get into rigged debates where the other side is full of cheaters.

Here is the link to Dave's journals at DU. He went there with an open mind. Folks are encouraged to read through his threads pertaining to Daily Kos and see how inorganic and seemingly scripted the herd attacks went after him. There was no interacting with his evidence. There was no fairness. The other side were on forum steroids, while Dave was being his good old, innocent self. How was he to know that the same exact fascism taking place at DKos goes on at DU?


Here are the nuts and bolts which prove a direct connection between the fake progressives in control of DKos having the same such control at DU.


From the UGOG files:







From a DKos thread:









To repeat, Michael Fingerit never expected to be outed for being MajorFlaw. Dave simply took things he revealed about himself at the UGOG domain and did research in real life. Fingerit admitted to a case he worked on. With that info, Dave solved his real name. While Jack's Smirking Revenge of the Free Speech Zone blog would like us to believe that Fingerit and others are regular people not deserving of having their true identities revealed, nothing could be further from the truth. What political consultant would be spending such an inordinate amount of time on the net perverting freedom of speech and association at major "progressive" blogs, if such activities were simply a hobby? There is no way, in my humble opinion, that the UGOG/KosKops were regular people. They appear to be in all likelihood paid to post and corrupt democratic processes on the internet.


Fingerit never imagined himself being outed. This explains why he blabbed so much. It is one thing for an anonymous username to be discredited. But if he'd known that his internet activities could be proven to be composed of astroturf, no way would he have given anyone the tools to determine his true identity.


MajorFlaw made a big mistake in not making his UGOG website inaccessible to the public. He made a big mistake in antagonising thoughtful individuals who would sleuth their way to figuring out his true internet motives. From the quote above, it can be now be seen that he outright lied.

There is zero proof that he was ever banned from Democratic Underground, nor that the webmaster Skinner ever posted anything about him. That doesn't mean everything he wrote were lies and misdirection. That is the key to understanding disinformation. Not all of it will be untruthful. He certainly was a powerful influence at DU. He still well very may be. The reason why he didn't provide links to his alleged banning one month before an election integrity activist named TIA was shown the door is because it never happened that way. Fingerit wanted folks at DKos to believe he was a big player at DU. I do believe he was being honest when he said he had the influence to prevent people from being banned. That implies that he had the power to have adversaries banned regardless of any rules being broken. Here is the proof that he lied about his banishment from DU one month before TIA was.


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Here is the proof that MajorFlaw was a DU moderator in April, 2005, well after the time TIA had been shown the door. While TIA posts have henceforth been allowed through his friends, the bottom line is that TruthIsAll was never reinstated by DU.





I had been successful at DU as Prepostericity in exposing the true nature of Speedway Bomber Brett Kimberlin and the lies Larisa Alexandrovna had told about him being an exonerated, ex-political prisoner. I also was successful in pointing out the truth about the Michael Connell being threatened by Karl Rove hoax. That has been covered at my humble forum/blog in the astroturfing section.


When I was attacked by the UGOG/KosKops at DKos for posting such factual information that had been censored at DU, I had trouble understanding why MajorFlaw and his astroturfing network would go out of their way to support prolific conspiracy theorists. DKos is known for having established rules against such topics. Folks have probably seen it written there time and time again, that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. So why would MajorFlaw be supporting hoaxsters?


We now have the answer. MajorFlaw {Fingerit} can now be directly linked to fake, election integrity activists.


According to Wilms at DU {emphasis his},

More credit where it's due...

It has been brought to my attention that erstwhile DUer, MajorFlaw, was very helpful in the preparation of the "DRE Reliability..." paper, for which he deserves our full appreciation.

Even in Fingerit's own words at DailyKos, he admitted to his participation in the "election integrity" movement.







I now notice that an image from that thread is no longer available. Could Michael Fingerit have been photographed? I may have a copy of that somewhere. Perhaps I can try to track it down. Probably doesn't matter. But if it did include a photo of him, this shows that this insidious individual is fearful of being exposed. How else to explain the inorganic ganging up on Dave on his threads at DU?


The paper put forth that Wilms said Fingerit helped draft was produced by VoteTrustUSA. That was an EI offshoot of the Verified Voting Foundation established by Andy Stephenson. Alexandrovna was close to Andy. John Gideon, the BradBlog's #1 blogger after Brad, also worked for that group. We now know that Brad Friedman is the frontman for confidence man Brett Kimberlin and his Velvet Revolution. We now know that the Clint Curtis and Spoonamore stories have zero credibility. We also know that a wealthy New Ager heiress named Lori Grace has provided funds to Velvet Revolution.

The bad guys are afraid of all these connections being made. I am not saying that Brad Friedman or even Larisa and Brett are paid disinformation. MajorFlaw, on the other hand, based on the sophisticated nature of the UGOG files, appears to definitely be some form of fifth column.

This is all similar to the proven facts established about Markos Moulitsas Zuniga connecting him to the CIA, Ronald Reagan, attacks on Caroline Kennedy and other Democrats, and with his ties to payola-type schemes. Proving someone is an intel supported troll is very hard to do, if not impossible. At a minimum, however, we can see how successful institutions such as Daily Kos, Velvet Revolution, Black Box Voting, Democratic Underground, and many others have been cash cows. What we don't see any evidence of is that any of them have done any good for true progressives. As for this branch of the "election integrity" movement, the only evidence there is besides the money making capabilities has been of their consistent providing of convolution and strawmen hoaxes, which have served to make election fraud appear to be a non-factor or consisting of too many strawmen to be considered as probable.

I believe the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen by George Bush Jr.. I also believe that election integrity topics which have deserved greater attention have had to take a back seat to outrageous and easily debunked conspiracy theories. This crowd has provided a lot of convolution and not much election integrity ideas. Whether the objectives have been to raise funds through good-hearted yet gullible wealthy donors or to promote strawmen disinfo or both is besides the point. Whether someone is willing disinfo, a confidence man, or a useful idiot, he or she is contributing to the perversion of democratic processes on the internet. And such activities have had bad consequences in real life.

Where would it be most easiest for modern day cointelpro to operate than on the internet? How has what Fingerit and Markos Zuniga done on the internet been anything other than the perverting of high ideals of freedom of speech and association among true peaceniks and progressives?