This blog is dedicated to the memory of David Weintraub, who took on insidious astroturfers and won.

Monday, March 30, 2009

Sing for the Reverend Martin Luther King

First things first. I am unequivocably done posting at the FreeSpeechZoneBlog. The events over the weekend have confirmed that it is a cheater's paradise. While the goons there would love for me to remain to serve as fodder for their cruelty, I refuse to take verbal beatings from anyone.

So Mattes has come up with a new diary praising Larisa Alexandrovna. Whoop-a-dee-doo. She also has referred to me as a she, just like DeeDogg has done before. There is no explanation for that, other than that they are nasty people. Why would someone be called a she, even if those are unaware of the person's gender? Whatever happened to he or she as the qualifier, when there is doubt?

This latest thread by Mattes confirms to me that the same folks with their greedy paws all over Democratic Underground and Daily Kos are all the same disinfo, fake progressives. My exposing of Brett Kimberlin, Brad Friedman, and Larisa Alexandrovna hit a raw nerve. They can make fun of my pointing out about Alexandrovna's lies about the Connell mailbox, but when is it ever justified for a "reporter" to lie? They can gloss over the fact that Clint Curtis' dog was never proven to have been killed. Heck, they can even ignore the strange turn of events leading to Brad Friedman's sudden rise to internet popularity as the face for Brett Kimberlin Productions. What-fricken-ever.

When one finds themselves at any forum that cheats, one must find the fortitude needed to leave.

DonkeyTale, the historic troll, has been one of my only few supporters at the FreeSpeechZone. Over the weekend, he caught Jack's Smirking Revenge in an outrageous lie about how he was such an important factor in outing the UGOG's. When DT corrected that disinfo, Jack decided to delete the whole exchange. Then Jack continued to layer lie upon lie for his censorship at an alleged free speech website. He explained that he didn't have a cancel button. That turned out to be true. But then why didn't he just hit backspace, leave the window, or delete his words before hitting post? Then he explained that he deleted his post unaware that DT had written a response.

The truth of the matter is that Jack suppressed Dave's activities at FSZ. He even went so far as to delete all of his posts. At FSZ, when that is done, all the other comments get deleted that come after. By deleting Dave's diaries, the whole enchilada was pruned. By deleting Dave's individual comments, every comment written on those subthreads also got scrubbed.

Now Dave certainly was happy his posts were vanquished. I accept that. It enabled him to better articulate things on his own terms at his own place. But in no way whatsoever did FSZ out the UGOG's. In fact, when Dave was given the heave-ho, Jack proceeded to delete the UGOG file link from the front page. He also went on to call Fingerit and the others regular guys.

One can go through archives and see that Dave was hounded at FSZ. His two main supporters were Sabrina and Susan Something. For those efforts, all three were trolled on.

Now, unless someone painstakingly runs through archives, it is very difficult to get the full picture. It especially doesn't help when so much has been deleted, as was Peeder's Political Flesh Feast website. I have been trying to figure out DonkeyTale, whether he is a good or bad guy. I can be a chump at first and fall for folks. Eventually, however, I do figure out whether someone is a paid fake, a useful idiot, sincere, or simply unclear.

I believe there is a way for newbies and fence-sitters to figure out the Dave Weintraub chapter where he pretty much single-handedly crushed FSZ, UGOG, and DKos, three websites which deserved their doomed fates. While anyone who has been following this story in real time may think it old news being unnecessarily rehashed, I disagree. An example of this will be when we look at Michael Bouldin's comments pertaining to African-Americans and the homosexual/lesbian referendum. Then folks will understand why Dave felt Bouldin was a racist. MBNYC has used DFQ's statements as a justification for his utter cruelty. Newbies and fence-sitters are not gonna understand what really happened unless someone like myself does this busy work. Another example of the need to rehash is with how I showed the original point by which Fingerit focused his efforts on "swift-boating" Dave. I am proud of my efforts. If I am making any mistakes, if anyone can help fill in pieces, I wish they would do so. But not everything is an enigma. I am gonna do what I gotta do to fill in what pieces I can, and then move on with being a progressive, lefty, peacenik blogger. Trolls need to be bashed, and then it is time to get back on topic.

Anyway, it has come to my attention that DonkeyTale is a liar as regards to his saying that he supported Dave while he was at FSZ. Here is a cross-post from Antoinette's where I gave Mr. DonkeyTale a cold splash of water.

DonkeyTale, while I appreciate your kind wishes for my forum and the blog dedicated to Dave, alas, I cannot let you get away with the misinformation that you supported Dave while he was at FSZ.


"Why should she be offended at anti-anti-MAMZ Meta-meta? As devoutly practicing scientismists we all know the laws of nature: light a fire at someone else's (orange) house and you will soon engulf your own house in flames...


Glass houses/stones


etc./ad nauseum"

"I'm getting sick of all the META schtick too"

"Yur calling me out for calling Susan, Dave and you out for calling out DKOS posters who have been made targets in a very unhealthy way.

There have been outings and a banning, much ugliness and dissension, all resulting from MAMZ meta. None of this involves RL issues."

"I believe he thinks the unhealthy obsession with DKOS thats gone down here is pretty equal to my unhealthy obsessions, which I am at least healthy enough to admit are unhealthy."

"You are free to continue with MAMZ meta. Of course, I am also free to continue the anti-MAMZ Meta-Meta.

Your comments on this blog are increasingly bizarre. You have set out on a self appointed "mission" to retaliate and destroy the KKKOS KKKops. It appears, as so often happens with personal obsessions, that you are having a much bigger impact on your own self than you are on "them"."


"Moulitsas Meta Blows"

"Dave is planning to usurp MAMZ role
in the Whiteysphere, on Jack's Freespeech zone"

"Goose/gander. Some people find me more interesting than yet another top thirty Kos asshole list and the ancient history of hidden comments."

"The DKOS meta seems to have effectively erupted into a cross blog flame war which now has led to a banning and the driving of hamburgler off FSZ and into hiding.

And for what actual "interesting" gain?"


"Anti-Anti-Anti MAMZ Meta-Meta Meta"

"I think the last straw was when Jack recommended my last anti-anti-MAMZ meta-meta masterpiece "Moulitsas Meta Blows" which called out Something, Sabrina and Dave."

"No one pays any attention to Meta, especially donKKKeyturd Meta"

I appreciate that you stuck up for Dave over the weekend against Jack's lies. But there's no need for you to whitewash how you truly acted when the DFQ versus UGOG/FSZ/Kos battle was at its climax. Dave was Rambo. He was one person who despite all the odds single-handedly crushed three websites who deserved it.

Now that I have that out of the way, here is Martin Luther King's famous speech against the Vietnam War, in which he artfully showed it to be an attack on poor folks, both black and white.

posted by noncorporatenews

Speech by Martin Luther King, Jr. against the Vietnam War. Audio.

This speech was released by Black Forum records, a subsidiary of Motown, and went on to win a Grammy in 1970 for the Best Spoken Word Recording.

Excerpts of a Sermon at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967.

Text of entire speech:

Real Audio file of entire speech:

Martin Luther King, "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam"

posted by u2mixer
I felt that I had to make a video of U2's Pride that actually included footage of Martin Luther King Jnr. I don't know why U2 decided not to use any footage - was it possibly the corporate shirts not wanting a black activist shown on primetime MTV? It seems hard to believe that U2 could have allowed this, but we should also remember that the band were still young men wanting to make progress in their musical career and maybe decided to take heed of their management's 'advice'. I wouldn't want to speak for the band.

I felt that a black and white theme would give the viewer a sense of time and place with relevance to the footage used. A sense of the man and a sense of history.

I dedicate my video to all the people of all colours who took part in the fight for freedom and those that continue to do so all over the World today.


Friday, March 27, 2009

New video: Four conservative talk hosts smack down Coulter, Romney by Antoinette

cross-posted from

Holy smokes! More conservatives attacking other conservatives! It’s getting worse by the hour. This video documents the growing rift between the right-wing pundit Ann Coulter and Christian pro-family leaders. This cross-country sampling of conservative talk show hosts from Florida, Iowa, Colorado and California confronts Coulter on her hypocrisy. This group that produced the video also smacks down Sean Hannity, Rick Santorum, and other so-called conservative talkers. A MUST SEE VIDEO!

The Ann Coulter Hang-Ups shows Coulter repeatedly punting and ending interviews instead of answering valid questions. She can take soft-ball criticism from the left, but Ann Coulter refuses to substantively answer accusations from Bob Enyart, Bill Keller, Steve Deace and Gregg Jackson about her defense of aggressively pro-abortion, anti-marriage politicians.

Category: News & Politics

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The Ann Coulter Hang-Ups

Fingerit/Cointelpro {pt. 1}

The astroturfers are scrambling to make this whole thing seem like personal vendettas between anonymous usernames. Perhaps if one were to just go with Fingerit's attacks on Dave with his Lessons of Long Island diary, this ruse could continue. There one can see how Fingerit supported rightwingers like Hannity and Bill O'Reilly. They can see how the top Kos administrators punished Dave and gave this MajorFlaw of a human their support. Maybe even though Fingerit was clearly sidetracking the essence of Dave's essay, it could be seen as some kind of immature give and take.

I've been very curious what started the animosity between Dave and MajorFlaw/Ugog. I figured it out yesterday. The origination of the bad blood confirms that Fingerit supports rightwing hate radio and wanted to knock the effective activist down.

Bookstore Event Cancelled, Wingnut Urges Listeners to Harass Me

{diary and thread excerpts}

Mark Levin's (buddy of Rush, sidekick of Hannity) book signing scheduled for December 1st in Ridgewood has been cancelled. Levin then spent 45 minutes engaging in a verbal tirade and urging his listeners to go harass me, rhetoric which is inviting not only very serious legal action tens of times more serious than what has already occurred but possible legitimate polic action as well. This cancellation came after one of Levin's wingnuts "Pete From Long Island" posted for several hours on Levin's website that I should be "coldcocked" but only after the "cameras are taken out first." But instead of denouncing Pete from Long Island, Levin makes Pete from LI his 2nd phone caller of the show.

Levin then argues that my "entire biography" should be posted online, including my address, phone number, places of work, etc... Although worded coyly, Levin is basically urging his listeners to go out there and act like brownshirts. You can hear the disturbing audio here. Basically, the audio is full of name calling and incitement. It's very low, even for a dirtbag like Levin....

what inspired people to plan to go to Bookends Saturday? Was it me? No. There were calls across the internet for action prior to yesterday by many people whom I do not know. What motivated people was righteous outrage at Levin, Boyce, and Hannity for trying to have someone arrested because they didn't like my politics and were afraid of a question they thought I was going to ask. Regardless of politics, this touched a raw nerve in people and rightly so. There's no defense for Boyce, Levin, and Hannity and they know it and their lawyers know it.

Third, there's a fine but firm line between a public forum and a private business. A private business that invites people to its store for a big event is not the same as some New York City law firm that has an employee doing legal related work. The law firm isn't inviting anyone to its place just as Levin isn't inviting anyone to go stand outside his studio while he's broadcasting. Nobody on this site has advocated going to any bookowner's house, Levin's house, Hannity's house, Levin's business office, Hannity's business office, Boyce's residence, etc... For Levin to advocate that his Insanitized skinhead and neo nazi thugs should somehow harass me at truly private places such as a workplace that is not a public forum or my home which is not open to public events is way beyond the pale....

Dave's tip jar:
again, sunlight is needed (399+ / 0-)
These KKK and brownshirt tactics of Levin and company have to be confronted head on.

I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007

Even Michael Bouldin gave Dave kudos.
Wow. (88+ / 0-)
Isn't it, like, illegal, to incite violence over the airwaves? That's sure what this sounds like.

Interesting, though, that media figures, who by their nature seek mass public exposure, are now recoiling from that public. Not that this says anything about the essential hollowness and depravity of wingnuttery, of course.

Good luck. Tipped and Rec'd.

Then the digital brownshirts started to show up.

bugscuffle: whoa dude, you're kinda obsessed.

That was recommended by fifteen usernames including MajorFlaw.

Then MajorFlaw: The diarist is at least as responsible (11+ / 1-)
for his predicament as Hannity/Levin are. He repeatedly chooses to escalate and fan the flames. There's nothing to be proud of here.

yep blame the rape victim (15+ / 0-)
for the rape, nice mentality.
shame on you

by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:51:29 AM PDT

that is seriously f'ed up (15+ / 0-)
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Did you just compare yourself to a rape victim?
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:36 AM PDT

Guess You Never Heard Of Analogies, Huh? (5+ / 0-)
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What's really pathetic, is to read this diary and the comments, and then come in with he said he was raped. Now, that's pathetic!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:04:16 AM PDT

and you've never heard of appropriateness or (6+ / 0-)
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proportion, it seems.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:38 AM PDT

I Have, When I'm Being Fitted By A Tailor! (2+ / 0-)
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But, this is a Diary about confronting the Right-Wing.
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:22:19 AM PDT

The comparision is appropriate (4+ / 0-)
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The diarist was threatened with physical harm from a major media personality.
by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:08:57 AM PDT

probably (1+ / 0-)
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had he simply said " victim", that would be better. As I do agree with Dave, he is the victim in all of this. It was just the rape victim thing that some of us object to. Other than that, I totally agree with Dave.
by wishingwell on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:39:02 AM PDT

I agree with you (6+ / 0-)
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I was trying to show the mentality and yes there is no comparison between rape and what happened to me.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:44:03 AM PDT

You are not any sort of victim. (12+ / 3-)
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You chose the field of battle and you chose to engage. IIRC, the worst of it was that you spent about ten minutes speaking with some friendly police officers. Victim, huh? Get over yourself.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:54:51 AM PDT

Bad d0nut, Dave. (3+ / 0-)
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Kinda sorta looks like ratings abuse.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:09:33 AM PDT

I'm sure YOU think so. (1+ / 0-)
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Victim, huh? Get over yourself.

That's called an ad hominem attack with nothing of substance to back it up. Sure, he chose to engage - and he was alone, with no camera, no t-shirt, no sign, and stood politely on line - but he never actually got the chance to ask his question before the police were called, which is a draconian solution. He IS a victim in that regard, and I believe he will have his day in court.

As for you, I believe you will have another donut. You're earning them. You're also making it very, very clear what your real agenda is in this forum. Taste some more of your own medicine, netkopp.
by Randgrithr

seems an opinion, (5+ / 0-)
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not an attack; uprated.
by condoleaser on Tue Nov 27, 2007

Who is CondoLeaser? Lloyd Lachow, #2 UGOG

WhoIsCondo: Dailykos kop. Lost his license in Colorado for sexually assaulting a patient. Moved to Maryland to escape shame.

You weren't raped, Dude. (19+ / 8-)
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You chose to show up at a Hannity event and while there, stalked him with contextually trollish and obnoxious questions. They went overboard by calling the gendarmerie--which gave you the incident you wanted. Since then you have trashed any shot at a civil lawsuit by opening your big fucking mouth (legal term of art) all over the internets.

You are very much the master of your own fate here and you love being the center of attention. Don't further embarrass yourself by crying, "rape".
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:01:06 AM PDT

Appearing in a public forum (7+ / 0-)
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means you have to be able to handle questions from people who don't agree with you. And asking such questions is about as equivalent to "stalking" as his situation is to rape.

If you don't like draconian metaphor, don't use it.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:05:10 AM PDT

Well Looky Here, We Have An Expert On: (5+ / 0-)
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"contextually trollish and obnoxious!" Good go!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:07:31 AM PDT

I would defend them. (3+ / 0-)
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When someone incites others, as in:

I'm asking (admittedly selfishly) that thousands of leftists, progressives, centrists, liberals, and non right wing conservatives show up at Bookends (232 East Ridgewood Avenue) in Ridgewood, New Jersey (about 15 minutes from George Washington Bridge) on Saturday December 1st way before 1 p.m. for an opportunity to observe what the Republican Party's de facto main media propagandist Sean Hannity and his friends and audience are truly like. I am going by myself and perhaps a few other people will either accompany me directly or be there at my request. I'm not going as part of any known group so if other groups show up, they show up on their own volition.

They invite a stronger reaction. I wouldn't mind another d0nut on the above comment to enable TUs to discuss this further. This diarist does not deserve our sympathy.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:33:01 AM PDT

I don't want (5+ / 0-)
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nor need his sympathy
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:39:28 AM PDT

You obviously want someone's sympathy (0+ / 0-)
else why write about this here
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:09 AM PDT

How is Fingerit not a paid troll? This was the first time there was any bad blood between these people according to Fingerit's own words. In another thread from late 2008, MajorFlaw explained how Dave initially ticked him off in this specific diary.

not TRing this comment (6+ / 0-)
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b/c there's nothing to TR

But I do think it's a great idea that when threats are posted about you on a website and you are going to go to a public event, to have people watching or using my word observing.

If you read everything I post I urged nothing but peace.

Although I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be, I'm glad he didn't listen to people like you.

You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:38:56 AM PDT

Strangely enough, Michael Bouldin recommended the next idiotic troll post by Fingerit. Hmmm. Good old bait and switch from a fellow UGOG back in 2007.

You're quite a piece of work. (9+ / 2-)
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I'm not even 1/10th what Martin Luther King Jr. was or ever will be

You got that right. Even mentioning Dr. King in this context is absurd.

You'd have been the first one telling him that he shouldn't be on that bridge.

Got passive aggressive? Nope, not biting.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:50 AM PDT

users need to learn about TR .. (13+ / 0-)
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they are having a discussion. this is not a troll.
the irony is they are defending against the "brownshirts" by hiding comments.
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:56:10 AM PDT

"Stalking" is a personal attack. (9+ / 0-)
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You accused him of an unethical and criminal act. His actions do not meet either definition. Attending a public event in a place of business that has been advertised can not be considered stalking. Was the guy from Webb's campaign who Allen called "macaca" a stalker?

Furthermore, since when is "your big fucking mouth" a legal term of art?

Finally, he didn't cry "rape" and you know it. He used an inappropriate analogy, but spare me the PC gotcha. No reasonable person would conclude that he really intended to compare his experience to the trauma and dehumanization of being raped.

Here's a legal term of art for you: Give me a big fat fucking break!
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:53:15 AM PDT

"Stalking". (5+ / 0-)
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My Previous History With Hannity
Exposing Sean Hannity
NYC/LI Action Alert - "Meet" Sean Hannity Today
NEW Update + VIDEO - and yes I will sue
Why I MUST Be Public About This (BIG UPDATE)

But, of course

It's Not About Me

Sorry, the word fits.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:31:18 AM PDT

Sorry, no. (3+ / 0-)
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by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:55:39 AM PDT

wow, that is so logically brilliant (4+ / 0-)
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Call the police, some reporter at the NY Times has probably written at least 7 stories invoking the name Bill clinton or george Bush.

Must be a stalker.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:37:47 AM PDT

You are not a reporter, you are not employed by (4+ / 0-)
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any campaign and you do not represent any group. You are a guy who chooses to express his political opposition by calling RW talk shows and appearing at RW events. That part is fair enough, although I don't see its efficacy. But your fixation on Hannity--as demonstrated by your own diaries and comments--is more than that.

You got the response you wanted both there and here but those of us who've been around for a while recognize your stunts and self promotion for what they are. Bookmark this thread and reread it when your legal matter has been resolved. I always take the long view ;-)
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:53:26 AM PDT

How does giving a TR make one a patriot (or not)? (1+ / 0-)
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That was pretty random.

I'll tell you why I didn't give you a TR, though. It's because I don't want the comment to go hidden. I want it out where everyone can see it, along with my reply.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:34:38 AM PDT

I'd like it to be seen as well . . . (0+ / 0-)
preferably by TUs. Did you see the diarist's video yet?

Still want to adopt this one?
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:36:51 AM PDT

I had nothing to do with that guy (9+ / 0-)
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That's someone else, never met him,

the only time u see me on camera is with the 2 police officers.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:20 AM PDT

Oh. (3+ / 0-)
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I'd been thinking you were an Alex Jones nutjob for a while now. My apologies!
by twalling on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:41:03 AM PDT

ty for the apology (8+ / 0-)
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at least when shown evidence you follow it.

It'd be nice if the other guy, now being given the proof that I had nothing to do with that guy in the car or the guy filming the video, to do the same.

interestingly, it's the guy in the car who it could be argued tangently who caused a disturbance but you don't hear a peep from Hannity or Levin.

So why are they attacking the guy who didn't create any disturbance whatsoever and not saying a word about the wearechange guy?
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:37 AM PDT

Because although they say they do not (7+ / 0-)
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visit this site, their many followers and aides do and they know who you are, that you post diaries on this site and are very vocal about your political leanings, so they have a face to attack so to speak. That other guy is nothing to them unless he posts about the occurance and might actually have a following, like you have now.

I agree with you, I am tired of bowing down to the wingnuts and turning the other check everytime I am called a traitor. I feel that some on the left absolutely need to get down in the mud with the wingnuts. This is not a level playing field so why should we try our hardest to make it so? Often times the results of this pandering to the wingnuts makes us look soft-i.e soft on terror(and I know our fight is with obl, not terror). Let them throw the first punch, but respond with force. But I am a dem from the south, so fightin is in my blood.
by meatwad420 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:34:55 AM PDT

The diarist appears briefly in this video (6+ / 0-)
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It was not made by him. It was made by some 9/11 Truthout people who also attended, and he only found out about it after the fact. If you read the back diaries you would have known that.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:40:56 AM PDT

and additionally (5+ / 0-)
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Levin and Hannity have not attacked him even though he is the one who had a tussle with security with a camera in the face.

I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:45:34 AM PDT

I got the video from the diarist. (1+ / 0-)
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by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:46:11 AM PDT

It's clear you didn't read the diary (7+ / 0-)
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or you would have known it wasn't his own video. He posted it after the fact.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:48:13 AM PDT

Yes I linked the video (3+ / 0-)
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which I found out after the fact existed.


Because sometimes people write diaries claiming to have been somewhere when they were not.

The video, and my presence in it, however brief and tangental, served as confirmation of my presence there.

Simple as that.

Again I had nothing to do with that guy and only learned about that video 2 days later and accidentally.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:49:16 AM PDT

Have you ever been raped, Dave? (9+ / 0-)
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I mean raped, dragged by some big hairy ape who is 100 pounds heavier than you, had your clothes torn off your body, punched and kicked until your bones are shattered, then forcibly violated by a foul mouthed, alcohol stenched animal violates you? Then left for dead near some trash dumpster until someone mercifully walks by? Unless you've experienced that, I don't think your analogy is close.
by tazz on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:05:53 AM PDT

no (7+ / 0-)
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I'm talking about the mentality and that's the best example I could come up with.

I'm not equating the two.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:33:59 AM PDT

maybe not the best metaphor (3+ / 0-)
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But the victim mentality is huge.

White average joe American claiming he is being victimized? Lets be serious. We all have our points to why we feel we're being screwed but for them to claim they're being discriminated against without any real reason for their white male-ness is so patently absurd it makes me think it's a way they're masking their own racism that still dwells inside of them. Seems like it's evolved from open racism to a form of open self-persecution. Very bizzare, makes me wonder if there's a psychological nomenclature for this sort of behavior.
by danger durden on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:26:58 AM PDT

Oh please... can you BE anymore melodramatic.. (6+ / 0-)
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about this? Keerist! The man simply made a metaphor, not the best, but for gawd's sake, why must you dip into a pail of shit like this to make your point? Your response is worse than his metaphor by a mile.
by Hornito on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:22:44 PM PDT

Standing Up To Right-Wing Thugs, Takes Courage. (9+ / 0-)
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Try it, sometime!
by leonard145b on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:55:16 AM PDT

The diarist asked a question and was (15+ / 0-)
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detained and questioned by the police. Are you seriously questioning whether he should be addressing this? He must absolutely address this.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:56:10 AM PDT

Um . . . (1+ / 0-)
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The diarist asked a question and was detained and questioned by the police.

That is what we lawyer critters call a persuasive statement of facts. As opposed to an objective statement of facts. Wasn't quite that simple.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:03:35 AM PDT


Fingerit/Cointelpro {pt. 2}

Well, color me stupid, but what I described (9+ / 0-)
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is what the diarist said happened. Question, detained, questioned by police.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:06:31 AM PDT

{to MajorFlaw}

good thing we don't rely on u for legal counsel (16+ / 0-)
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a real good thing
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:11:45 AM PDT

Who offered? (3+ / 0-)
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You think I need this kind of shit? Really, when the smoke clears let's see what you get out of it.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:16:46 AM PDT

I don't think that's the point. (6+ / 0-)
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I think he's not out to get money primarily, I think he's out to get a wee bit of justice in a country where thuggish bastards still dominate.
by Pris from LA on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:46:55 AM PDT

thanks (3+ / 0-)
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and if he had read the end of the diary, I basically have given both chickenhawks a full way out because it's more about justice than money. However, I have no problem having them put on a witness stand or called for a deposition and having them torn apart for their lies and thuggery.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:49:28 AM PDT

Really? (4+ / 0-)
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How do you define justice? My version doesn't include frivolous lawsuits and stalking RW figures. His intentions may be honorable but his approach is not part of any solution. I'm just taking the opportunity to disassociate myself from him and his actions.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:58:23 AM PDT

frivolous lawsuits? (8+ / 0-)
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First, none has been filed yet. And since my SOL runs a year, don't call a lawsuit frivolous when there is none.

Second, I've only sued someone once before and trust me, you couldn't have more compelling facts and evidence than what I had/have. (Not discussing this so don't ask.)

Third, I know the elements of false imprisonment in the state of NY and they match up like a tee to what Boyce did.

And guess what? Their lawyers know it too which is why they are losing their minds over me. Why would he spend 40 minutes of his nationally syndicated show yesterday on me otherwise?

I shall not rest until right wing conservatives are 4th party gadflies limited to offering minor corrections on legislation once or twice a year.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:10:16 AM PDT

A lot of people were sticking up for Dave.

Nah, I don't think so. (5+ / 0-)
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I think you're getting your rocks off being sanctimonious and contrarian. If you only wanted to "disassociate [yourself] from him and his actions", you would have posted a reasoned rebuttle and walked away.

Sorry, man, but you're jonesing for this shit big time. Mebbe you should think about cutting back on the caffeine.
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:02:48 AM PDT



pdf link to the secret diary of the kostapo

Levin gave the real answer (15+ / 0-)
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He said he's afraid of them being put up on You Tube and portrayed as racist and Hitlerian. (his words not mine)

At least he knows his audience.
by davefromqueens on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:37:52 AM PDT

Look at me! Look at me! (8+ / 0-)
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Why is this on the rec list? Do this guy's personal ambitions really matter all that much to dKos?
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:12:30 AM PDT

Sadly, you don't get it (32+ / 0-)
The hate-mongering by the right continues because NO ONE stands up to them. DFQ is standing up. And rightly so.
by donnamarie on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:23:49 AM PDT

uh, yeah (4+ / 0-)
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He's really standing up to them and making it all go away with imaginary legal claims.

Dude's tilting at windmills, and you're standing there yelling "slay the dragon!"

Great job.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:47:47 AM PDT

asdf (6+ / 0-)
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Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about? Go back and read Dave's previous diaries.
by donnamarie on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:58:57 AM PDT

I'm not the clueless one here (16+ / 4-)
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But lucky for Dave, there appears to be no shortage of the clueless on this matter.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:08:11 AM PDT

tell me now, Karen Wehrstein (1+ / 0-)
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why you thought that qualified as a troll. I really am interested.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:12:17 AM PDT

Personal attack n/t (7+ / 0-) Recommended by: {mrkvica, maybeeso in michigan, proudprogressiveCA, danger durden, BlueInARedState, Randgrithr, Pris from LA}
by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:18:07 AM PDT

that really is ridiculous (8+ / 0-)
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there's a gross amount of clueless threading through the entire story.

But wait, was me calling your TR'ing ridiculous a personal attack, too?
Oh, noes. There goes the internets.

Christ on a pogo stick, I'm sometimes appalled by my fellow Kossacks.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:35:59 AM PDT

No -- (3+ / 0-)
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I don't interpret your calling my TR'ing ridiculous a personal attack, because it refers to an action of mine, not my worth or qualities as a person.

However you called multiple people on this comment thread "clueless," which does refer to their qualities as people, and that's a personal attack.

It's a simple distinction and the one I always use when [deciding] whether to troll rate.
by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:17 AM PDT

clueless refers to a state of mind (11+ / 1-)
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not to your person

stop trying to hide comments and censure debate.

it is the last refuge of the weak minded.

is that a personal attack as well? it could be interpreted that i called you weak minded due to your tendency to attempt to censor posts you disagree with.
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:59:31 AM PDT

She alone does not have the ability (1+ / 0-)
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to censor posts.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:01:23 AM PDT

"attempt to censor post" (4+ / 0-)
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and you two should get a room.
by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:01:09 AM PDT

Censoring posts (1+ / 0-)
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is something that the forum does automatically after four troll ratings. Read the FAQ. Indicating that you think a comment is troll-worthy is not an attempt to censor, and the comments are still visible to trusted users.

I don't know Karen, and I'm quite happily married, but thank you for the gratuitous and insulting inference that we have some sort of relationship beyond agreeing that you're being obnoxious. It only serves to confirm that observation.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:49:03 AM PDT

Yes, "weakminded" is a personal attack n/t (1+ / 0-)
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by Karen Wehrstein on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:50:53 AM PDT

Man, that is one ugly d0nut. (4+ / 0-)
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If I hadn't lost TU upthread I'd drop one for ratings abuse. Uprated.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:28:16 AM PDT

Ad hominems with no substance behind them (2+ / 0-)
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If that's not trolling I don't know what is.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 06:43:23 AM PDT

Serves you right, troll. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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by Pris from LA on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:50:25 AM PDT

Now that isn't very neighborly. (5+ / 0-)
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It appears that some folk have been waiting to catch me unarmed.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 07:55:03 AM PDT

Heh. (5+ / 0-)
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I note a high correlation between the abuse of troll rating and this series of diaries.

Common thread of cluelessness?

Just maybe.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:21:02 AM PDT

I didn't have to wait at all (0+ / 0-)

You did it to yourself. Have I made that clear? Let me say it again: you did it to yourself.

by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:59:24 AM PDT

You'd be one of the "folk" in question. (2+ / 0-)
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Enjoy it while you can.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 10:03:33 AM PDT

That sounds like a threat (0+ / 0-)

Like I said, you did it to yourself - and I am sure you will again, from the sound of things, because it's clear there are some things you're incapable of learning.

And while frankly you don't matter to me worth a sideways damn, I do enjoy it to the degree that it's great to see a netkopp being told he's off the case and to turn in his gun and badge. The system is fair, even if you're not. You'll get yours - and it probably won't even have to be from me, which is the best part.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:07:39 AM PDT

I'm not sure what facts you are looking at. (5+ / 0-)
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I've picked up 5-7 d0nuts here--which has temporarily turned off my TU. The "while you can" part refers to its imminent return and nothing else. Not one of my comments here has been hidden and each received more Recs than d0nuts thus I do not appear headed towards the autoban. I guess you're used to settling for small victories. Enjoy it.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:19:00 AM PDT

You earned everyone of those TR's too (1+ / 0-)
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by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:29:38 AM PDT

I'm afraid we're gonna disagree about that, Ma'am (5+ / 0-)
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by MajorFlaw on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:34:04 AM PDT

disgusting (2+ / 0-)
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by Stampy51 on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 04:49:10 PM PDT

The "victory" I'm "settling" for (0+ / 0-)
is exactly proportional to the amount of ego you have invested in this argument, and that is clearly not small given the sheer amount of energy you've devoted to fomenting angst, insult and pointless argument in this and other threads.

You're the one looking for "victories". I am merely rejoicing in the enactment of very real justice. There is a difference - something you have yet to learn; which is a great deal of the problem, but it's YOUR problem. "The abyss also looks into you", to quote a phrase.

So you can take this and turn it into a personal vendetta, or you can actually take a step back and consider what you yourself are doing wrong. I don't really care which. One will eventually get you autobanned, and the other won't. It would be nice to see you making some sort of attempt to contribute to the community, but especially after what I've seen here today from you, I'm not holding my breath.
by Randgrithr on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:36:30 AM PDT

blech! (3+ / 0-)
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Some of the people replying to you here are starting to devolve into Usenet territory: petulant, retaliatory and nose-wrinklingly childish--maybe you better scram while the scamming's good.

FWIW, I suspect you're right about this whole situation; while it's probably not worth your bothering with, I've appreciated your input.

God bless our tinfoil hearts.
by aitchdee on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:48:54 PM PDT

By some reckoning, wouldn't (1+ / 0-)
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calling you a troll be a personal attack and worthy of a donut?
by Over the Edge on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:48:16 PM PDT

I would think so. (1+ / 0-)
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My TU is back on so I could drop a d0nut myself but as it was me he called a "troll" I oughta leave it to others.
by MajorFlaw on Wed Nov 28, 2007 at 07:33:07 AM PDT

don't tase me bro (5+ / 0-)
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Is there much difference between DFQ's antics and the don't tase me bro guy (although he hasn't wrestled with cops yet)

Nobody likes the grandstander at any event. The person who comes to "tell you a question." Putting these diaries as the #1 recommended demeans this site. It looks like a 9th grader's antics against a rival clique, or worse, like the freepers.
by chick ghandil on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 08:27:45 AM PDT

Remember above how Bouldin {MBNYC} gave contradictory rates, like a bait and switch. In the UGOG files, they talked about throwing people off the scentg this way. Abbeysbooks believes that Blu Vertigo might be Lauren S from the FSZ.

No, there are several differences. (2+ / 0-)
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The don't tase me bro guy refused to stop talking, was asked to leave by a legitimate authority, and didn't leave. DFQ was never asked to leave by the store manager, but agreed to after it was all over. The person who called 911 had no standing to do so.
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:11:51 AM PDT

This is sort of a On The Road with Dave (18+ / 0-)
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ongoing series. He is having quite serious fun with Faux guys, and I, for one, am enjoying the trip.
by JFinNe on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:25:22 AM PDT

With the way soapblox software works, posts underneath each other don't necessarily mean they are for one another. But I think folks should be able to get the gist of how this thread went. When in doubt, hit the [parent] button.

You must have missed the entire thing (13+ / 0-)
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He went to a Mark Levin book signing to ask him a question. Hannity's manager called the police - they were in a "No Question Zone" obviously. Dave is considering legal action against them for various reasons. Levin is losing his mind, and he is upping the ante by calling on his listeners to harass Dave at home and his place of business.

If anything happens to Dave, Levin is is deep trouble.
by adigal on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:50:59 AM PDT

no, I saw the whole diary here, and that's what (7+ / 0-)
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is so disappointing about this. It's completely ridiculous, and the reaction here was only slightly more thoughtful than I'd expect from a Mark Levin book signing audience.
by Sui Juris on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 05:54:28 AM PDT

What a steaming pile of shit! (3+ / 0-)
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When did DFQ threaten anyone with physical violence? When did he incite people to go after anyone? When did anyone here say that Levin's fans deserved any of the things that they threaten us with.

False equivalency anyone?
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 09:13:59 AM PDT

Sui Juris has never done anything but flamebait (1+ / 0-)
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That is his entire history here on DKos. Nothing but trolling and flamebaiting. Nothing to contribute at all.
by brenda on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:31:57 AM PDT

Thank you. (0+ / 0-)
I was afraid that I was the only one who thought he was an asshat.
by homogenius on Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 11:42:21 AM PDT



The CIA Truth about Kos - Daily Kos

Kos's Missing Time Gap - Daily Kos CIA Truth

Kos's Anti-Gay Article Disapears!?! - Daily Kos CIA Truth

Dave Taking on Harold Ford and DLC Propaganda

A Tribute to Dave by Josh Nelson

I met Dave at Netroots Nation last July in Austin, Texas. Here is the first I saw of him:

Harold Ford of the DLC Praises Fox News

Immediately after this episode, I ran outside to try to follow up on Mr. Ford’s absurd remarks. Dave Weintraub aka Dave From Queens beat me there. He was already peppering Mr. Ford with questions, and clearly making him uncomfortable. He even challenged Mr. Ford to debate him — an offer that was quickly refused. With camera in hand, Dave and I chased Harold Ford to the side of the convention center outside, where he waved and ducked into an SUV. Dave and I chatted for a bit, and exchanged contact information, promising to stay in touch.

About three months later I heard from Dave again. He had tickets to a Sarah Palin speech in Virginia Beach. He wanted me to go with him to record Palin supporters saying outrageous and offensive things. The plan was to pretend we were from a bible college and ask people provocative questions, catching everything with my flip cam. We would then distribute the video footage online, in an effort to discredit Palin supporters and convince moderates that they didn’t fit into the modern GOP mold. Since it was a last minute trip Dave was planning, I decided not to go. I wish I had. I didn’t end up having the chance to speak or work with Dave again.....

We need more people with the kind of raw unadulterated courage Dave displayed. In my minimal interactions with the man it was obvious to me that he possessed a special energy - some sort of laser-like determination to get to the bottom of things. His persistence was uncanny, and inspirational. In a world far too often characterized by apathy, timidity and inaction, Dave’s courage will be sorely missed......

CT Bob shared some thoughts about Dave as well:

Dave was quite a character. In his quest to further the progressive agenda, he took part in some memorable political street theater. His habit of wearing a George W. Bush mask and carrying hilarious signs at events where well-known Bush-ites like Joe Lieberman would appear is legendary.

Dave was truly one-of-a-kind. His political antics will hopefully result in his being remembered fondly even by those who had differences with him near the end. One thing is sure - they broke the mold after that guy was born!

Posted by CT Bob:

Dave was quite a character. In his quest to further the progressive agenda, he took part in some memorable political street theater. His habit of wearing a George W. Bush mask and carrying hilarious signs at events where well-known Bush-ites like Joe Lieberman would appear is legendary.....

here's the video of the Newtown Labor Day parade, when Big Dave shook Joe Lieberman's hand as "Bushman".....

{watch for Dave at around a minute and a half}

Wednesday, March 25, 2009

The Spy Factory; PBS' NOVA and Keith Olbermann

I haven't much to say, other than that I highly recommend folks watch this one.

A New Kind of Threat

The National Security Agency, or NSA, is the largest, most secret, most technologically advanced intelligence agency in the world. It thrived during the Cold War with the Soviets, but Al Qaeda represents an entirely different kind of threat. Is the NSA up to it?

running time 10:45

Spy Factory - Part 1

Missed Signals

Al Qaeda strikes U.S. embassies in Africa in 1998 and the USS Cole in 2000. Both times, the U.S. intelligence community fails to give a timely warning of the attacks.

running time 9:09

Spy Factory - Part 2

More Missed Signals

Well before 9/11, the NSA begins listening in on phone calls from two of the future hijackers from inside the U.S. to a house in Yemen that served as an Al Qaeda operations center. Why didn't they alert the FBI?

running time 9:14

Spy Factory - Part 3

Orwell's "Thought Police" Come Alive

Three weeks after 9/11, President Bush bypasses privacy laws and issues an executive order—the NSA no longer needs to obtain warrants to eavesdrop inside America. The agency begins warrantless monitoring of millions of domestic and international calls, e-mails, and other communications.

running time 9:24

Spy Factory - Part 4

Intelligence Overload?
Spy Factory - Part 5

Spy Factory - Part 6

Big Brother (NSA) is Copying Everything on the Internet Nov. 2007

Olbermann-FISA, Telecom Immunity and other Crimes Jan. 31, 2008

related story:
Is Mr. "X" Really Mr. "XO" and Craig McCaw

Tuesday, March 24, 2009

Howard Zinn: A People's History of the United States

I think one of the main things that links progressives is their awareness of the past. Remember the George Santayana quote, "Those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them?"

I believe that the U.S. history textbooks used by our school systems are fairly worthless. We all can probably remember one good teacher who got through to us what it means to be a critical thinker. My favourite one was from 10th grade. She used to ask us, "Why do they call it history? Why not herstory?"

Here are the first few entries from Mr. Zinn's book pertaining to the twentieth century. It's read by Matt Damon after an introduction by the author. To continue listening, here is the rest.

Then I will embed my favourite Grateful Dead tune of all time, the one I listen to whenever I feel down. If you're lucky, I just might add in a Bob Marley tune or two. :)

A People's History (The 20th Century) - Howard Zinn [1/53]

A People's History (The 20th Century) - Howard Zinn [2/53]

A People's History (The 20th Century) - Howard Zinn [3/53]


If you're ever feeling blue, just listen to this one. It works for me every time.

Grateful Dead - Box Of Rain -

If that didn't cheer you up, this one will.


Or for the rebels-

posted by oOmunirOo
©Tuff Gong/Island Records (Universal)

Bob Marley and The Wailers - Them Belly Full (But We Hungry)

Sunday, March 22, 2009

In Memoriam for Dave Weintraub i.e. davefromqueens ID

davefromqueens was a real hero as I have said before many times. He was able to confront a pack of e-brownshirts and beat them. Asch's research studies on conformity are pretty damning. When there is a group in on the game, an innocent experimental subject, and all are asked to estimate the length of a line, the ones in on the "game" will all say the wrong length. The naive subject will show anxiety but will conform and say the wrong length. We are talking about short lines of 3 to 4 inches or so. But and this is important, when there is just one other person validating the truth, by choosing the correct estimate, the naive subject will then say what she really sees, the correct line estimate. Just one other person makes all the difference.

Consider this in your life and seek that just one other person.

The experiment is simple: short lines. Now we have a financial situation thousands of times more complex, with many liars all in on the game, we are searching for at least that one other who will validate the truth. Because we all know the experts are lying and cheating us. Does Obama know? Well, he is fast reaching the time when, if he doesn't with all the info out there, he will have to go into denial or lie right along with them. And those of us who know the truth are holding our breath and waiting.

If Dave were still here working with us, he would be outing these mother fucking thieves and conspriracy billionaires. He would have found the real name and address and dirty laundry of every last mother fucking one of them. And anywhere in the world they would go their faces and names would be as recognizable as your favorite celebrity.

Thoughtful Intellectuals Need Not Apply

If Erich Fromm were still alive and attempted to post at Democratic Underground or DailyKos, he would be trolled upon, banished, and then ridiculed like thousands upon thousands of other good Democrats and progressives have been.

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DKos Disinfo Racket Includes the Undermining of Democratic Processes at the Democratic Underground

Dave was targeted for astroturfed ridicule precisely because he was willing to get beyond mundane meta-wars among anonymous usernames. Not only did he find the UGOG files, he figured out real names. Not only did he prove that such people have been manipulating the Daily Kos, he showed how such activities were being encouraged and sanctioned by upper level administrators including Markos Moulitsas Zuniga.

Dave put his heart and soul into being a blogger. He desired for on-line activism to equate into gains in real life democratic processes. He was not obsessed. He had stumbled onto insidious activities preventing such lofty goals. That is why he had been attacked so viciously.

Dave eventually ventured over to the Democratic Underground. Unfortunately, he had no idea at the time that he was stepping into the same exact hornets' nest that exists at Daily Kos. Correct that, he probably had an inkling, as MajorFlaw {Michael Fingerit} had admitted to being a DU moderator in the UGOG files.

I wish I had gotten to known Dave a lot earlier than I did. Perhaps myself and others could have shown him support which perhaps could have lessened the strain he must have been going through. No one likes to be labelled as obsessed or as a kooky conspiracy theorist. No one likes to have their words and works twisted around. No one likes to get into rigged debates where the other side is full of cheaters.

Here is the link to Dave's journals at DU. He went there with an open mind. Folks are encouraged to read through his threads pertaining to Daily Kos and see how inorganic and seemingly scripted the herd attacks went after him. There was no interacting with his evidence. There was no fairness. The other side were on forum steroids, while Dave was being his good old, innocent self. How was he to know that the same exact fascism taking place at DKos goes on at DU?

Here are the nuts and bolts which prove a direct connection between the fake progressives in control of DKos having the same such control at DU.

From the UGOG files:

From a DKos thread:

To repeat, Michael Fingerit never expected to be outed for being MajorFlaw. Dave simply took things he revealed about himself at the UGOG domain and did research in real life. Fingerit admitted to a case he worked on. With that info, Dave solved his real name. While Jack's Smirking Revenge of the Free Speech Zone blog would like us to believe that Fingerit and others are regular people not deserving of having their true identities revealed, nothing could be further from the truth. What political consultant would be spending such an inordinate amount of time on the net perverting freedom of speech and association at major "progressive" blogs, if such activities were simply a hobby? There is no way, in my humble opinion, that the UGOG/KosKops were regular people. They appear to be in all likelihood paid to post and corrupt democratic processes on the internet.

Fingerit never imagined himself being outed. This explains why he blabbed so much. It is one thing for an anonymous username to be discredited. But if he'd known that his internet activities could be proven to be composed of astroturf, no way would he have given anyone the tools to determine his true identity.

MajorFlaw made a big mistake in not making his UGOG website inaccessible to the public. He made a big mistake in antagonising thoughtful individuals who would sleuth their way to figuring out his true internet motives. From the quote above, it can be now be seen that he outright lied.

There is zero proof that he was ever banned from Democratic Underground, nor that the webmaster Skinner ever posted anything about him. That doesn't mean everything he wrote were lies and misdirection. That is the key to understanding disinformation. Not all of it will be untruthful. He certainly was a powerful influence at DU. He still well very may be. The reason why he didn't provide links to his alleged banning one month before an election integrity activist named TIA was shown the door is because it never happened that way. Fingerit wanted folks at DKos to believe he was a big player at DU. I do believe he was being honest when he said he had the influence to prevent people from being banned. That implies that he had the power to have adversaries banned regardless of any rules being broken. Here is the proof that he lied about his banishment from DU one month before TIA was.

This may wind up getting locked

Here is the proof that MajorFlaw was a DU moderator in April, 2005, well after the time TIA had been shown the door. While TIA posts have henceforth been allowed through his friends, the bottom line is that TruthIsAll was never reinstated by DU.

I had been successful at DU as Prepostericity in exposing the true nature of Speedway Bomber Brett Kimberlin and the lies Larisa Alexandrovna had told about him being an exonerated, ex-political prisoner. I also was successful in pointing out the truth about the Michael Connell being threatened by Karl Rove hoax. That has been covered at my humble forum/blog in the astroturfing section.

When I was attacked by the UGOG/KosKops at DKos for posting such factual information that had been censored at DU, I had trouble understanding why MajorFlaw and his astroturfing network would go out of their way to support prolific conspiracy theorists. DKos is known for having established rules against such topics. Folks have probably seen it written there time and time again, that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. So why would MajorFlaw be supporting hoaxsters?

We now have the answer. MajorFlaw {Fingerit} can now be directly linked to fake, election integrity activists.

According to Wilms at DU {emphasis his},

More credit where it's due...

It has been brought to my attention that erstwhile DUer, MajorFlaw, was very helpful in the preparation of the "DRE Reliability..." paper, for which he deserves our full appreciation.

Even in Fingerit's own words at DailyKos, he admitted to his participation in the "election integrity" movement.

I now notice that an image from that thread is no longer available. Could Michael Fingerit have been photographed? I may have a copy of that somewhere. Perhaps I can try to track it down. Probably doesn't matter. But if it did include a photo of him, this shows that this insidious individual is fearful of being exposed. How else to explain the inorganic ganging up on Dave on his threads at DU?

The paper put forth that Wilms said Fingerit helped draft was produced by VoteTrustUSA. That was an EI offshoot of the Verified Voting Foundation established by Andy Stephenson. Alexandrovna was close to Andy. John Gideon, the BradBlog's #1 blogger after Brad, also worked for that group. We now know that Brad Friedman is the frontman for confidence man Brett Kimberlin and his Velvet Revolution. We now know that the Clint Curtis and Spoonamore stories have zero credibility. We also know that a wealthy New Ager heiress named Lori Grace has provided funds to Velvet Revolution.

The bad guys are afraid of all these connections being made. I am not saying that Brad Friedman or even Larisa and Brett are paid disinformation. MajorFlaw, on the other hand, based on the sophisticated nature of the UGOG files, appears to definitely be some form of fifth column.

This is all similar to the proven facts established about Markos Moulitsas Zuniga connecting him to the CIA, Ronald Reagan, attacks on Caroline Kennedy and other Democrats, and with his ties to payola-type schemes. Proving someone is an intel supported troll is very hard to do, if not impossible. At a minimum, however, we can see how successful institutions such as Daily Kos, Velvet Revolution, Black Box Voting, Democratic Underground, and many others have been cash cows. What we don't see any evidence of is that any of them have done any good for true progressives. As for this branch of the "election integrity" movement, the only evidence there is besides the money making capabilities has been of their consistent providing of convolution and strawmen hoaxes, which have served to make election fraud appear to be a non-factor or consisting of too many strawmen to be considered as probable.

I believe the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen by George Bush Jr.. I also believe that election integrity topics which have deserved greater attention have had to take a back seat to outrageous and easily debunked conspiracy theories. This crowd has provided a lot of convolution and not much election integrity ideas. Whether the objectives have been to raise funds through good-hearted yet gullible wealthy donors or to promote strawmen disinfo or both is besides the point. Whether someone is willing disinfo, a confidence man, or a useful idiot, he or she is contributing to the perversion of democratic processes on the internet. And such activities have had bad consequences in real life.

Where would it be most easiest for modern day cointelpro to operate than on the internet? How has what Fingerit and Markos Zuniga done on the internet been anything other than the perverting of high ideals of freedom of speech and association among true peaceniks and progressives?

Michael Bouldin: Two-Faced Kos Kop

This guy is the personification of the word hypocrite.

At the DailyKos, he is MBNYC. He is also a leading contributor to a blog called Daily Gotham. My plan is to keep this website short and sweet. That can be easier said than done. I realise a lot of the entries are cross-posted information and nothing new under the sun. I simply want the whole world to be more likely to be aware of the true colours of folks like Michael Bouldin. Thus, if they google this guy, with a saturated internet, newbies and fence-sitters will be more likely to be able to find out the truth.

Repetition can be good. As long as it is interesting. No one likes spam. But no one with integrity ever rests until injustices are corrected. Here's an example. Markos Moulitsas Zuniga of the Daily Kos let slip out a few years back that he is a big fan of the CIA. Yet, how many folks realise he is a rightwinger? How many realise there are an incredible amount of questions concerning his morals or lack of such? This is why kudos go out to Francis Holland. Check out his blog on CIAKos. Run through the extensive links. It is not kooky tinfoil to wonder if the Daily Kos is an intel-operated domain. At a minimum, it can be proven to be a rightwing institution.

Now let's take a quick peek at the duplicitous nature of Michael Bouldin.

Here he rightly pointed out how wrong it was for Laura Ingraham to make fun of John McCain's daughter.

So typical.

"Hey, I think your policy positions might require evaluation"

"Yeah, so what? You're fat."

Yet, here was Bouldin going out of his way to make fun of Dave Weintraub's weight. That makes Bouldin's word meaningless.

Or look at Bill O'Reilly in his now famous meltdown from when he worked for Inside Edition, a tabloid magazine. Especially take note how he went from raving lunatic to smiling fraud in the matter of a second. That is being two-faced.

Michael Bouldin is a member of the UGOGs. Check out that website. Increase the view size for easier reading. Many folks wish for the Kos Kop thingie to be viewed as being a matter of some insignificant blog war among anonymous usernames. No way, Jose. At least not in my humble opinion after reading through the whole thing. It was simply too sophisticated. There were simply too many connections between the UGOGs and the top DKos administrators.

There is a reason why true progressives and peaceniks have been driven off of Daily Kos. It is because Markos Moulitsas Zuniga is part of a controlled opposition which serves the purposes of a vast rightwing conspiracy. On one side of the coin are Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity types. On the other are fakes progressives such as Zuniga and Bouldin.

Dave Weintraub was able to figure out the real names of the top two UGOGs. One is Michael J. Fingerit {MajorFlaw} and the other is Lloyd Lachow {Condoleaser/bottles}. Fingerit can now be tied in with election integrity fakes such as Larisa Alexandrovna and Brett Kimberlin. Lachow lost a license in Colorado for being a sexual predator. A few weeks ago, one of my latest DKos zombies noticed Condoleaser was mentioned. I posted that folks should google that name. The UGOGs went to work and had that post deleted. Because this is the top result.

Posted by WhoIsCondo:

Dailykos kop. Lost his license in Colorado for sexually assaulting a patient. Moved to Maryland to escape shame.

Who is condoleaser? AKA 'voila', 'bottles'

Here was when aspiring political consultant Michael Bouldin admitted to being a full-fledged member of the UGOGs. A poster named Alec82 showed up to confront the fake progressives running the fascist enterprise doing the 'dirty work' for Daily Kos administrators such as Barbara Morrill and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga.

Fingerit wasn't just manipulating democratic processes at Daily Kos. He also admitted to doing the same thing at Democratic Underground. The key to understanding the unfair attacks on Dave Weintraub is to realise that Dave was not afraid to transcend the ambiguous nature of anonymous usernames. He figured out who these people are in 'real life'. Lots of folks want this type of proven conspiracy to be seen as the result of some dorky hobby. I believe that Markos Moulitsas Zuniga and Fingerit are part of a fifth column infiltration of progressive politics on the internet. Peeder, the person who did the tech work for DailyKos, has written on a few occasions that the business model of DailyKos has been set up for failure. The Alexa stats show this to be true, as DailyKos has lost approximately 65% in viewership over the last three months.

The DailyKos has had an elaborate scheme by which pseudo-meta wars have been pushed in a cynical objective to hike up view hits. But when so many, in the tens of thousands if not more, have been alienated and driven off of the site, it will be only a matter of time before the advertisers catch up to how DailyKos is no longer a major domain.

In short, the way Daily Kos has operated over the years has ensured that the place would eventually hit this nosedive. Now this begs the question. Is DailyKos being funded by outside sources? How did the DailyKos rise out of nowhere to become one of the big players, if not the #1 domain, for 'progressive' politics? Based on Zuniga's lies about being a progressive, as spelled out by Holland and many others, from false claims of being an immigrant to hollow explanations of how he pulled the Hitchens/Huffington 180 from adoring Ronald Reagan and George Bush, how do we know that Zuniga has not been working for black operations the whole time? If Markos believes that the CIA is such a great organisation, how can he call himself a progressive? How can Bill O'Reilly and others claim him as one? Why are peaceniks and free thinkers unable to post at the major domains?

Where I differ with Holland's conclusion is that I believe Markos Moulitsas Zuniga was transferred into an FBI or NSA type division. It is illegal for the CIA to perform psychological operations on U.S. citizenry. Why would the CIA risk such illegalities when Moulitsas could have simply been transferred to an institution where it is not illegal to do such things?

In Zuniga's own words:

The CIA Truth about Kos - Daily Kos

Also, make sure to check out the excellent sleuthing that DFQ came up with at There is a section devoted exclusively to Daily Kos including his exposes on political operative Michael Fingerit. Well-played, David Weintraub. God bless you.

Thursday, March 19, 2009

Meet the Real David Weintraub

Dave was a prolific blogger at The Daily Kos.

Don't believe anything the dark side has been saying about him. According to Antoinette of,

Last week, Hannity has called Dave out, not by name, as 'Psycho' on the air when he talked about his upcoming booksigning with Levin. If Dave was alive today and heard this, he would have responded.

Check out who the real Dave was, a compassionate, beautiful person on the right side of history.

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