This blog is dedicated to the memory of David Weintraub, who took on insidious astroturfers and won.

Monday, April 27, 2009

Please Donate Money In Memory of Dave and an Open Letter to the Weintraub Family About My Internet Activities

For those who wish to donate to the American Heart Association in Dave's memory, you can go to this link.

Trying to raise money for the American Heart Association in memory of David Weintraub. Please go to:

-Michelle and Karen (david's sisters)

I probably won't be posting any longer at this domain unless yourselves wish to become administrators and/or co-bloggers. I have been under attack for over a couple years. I have proven this. My experiences enabled me to be able to empathise with what Dave went through in the latter stages of his blogging career. I feel that I have been able to set the record straight for Dave both here and at the original DaveFromQueens website. Too much negativity is being deliberately circulated about my blogging. I do not wish to jeopardise the cybersmear attacks on myself influencing the chances for Dave's true story to be told.

If you want to give me an email contact Karen, I can invite you to have administrator privileges. I sincerely think I have done a good job. Dave did not break any blogging ethics or whatnot. He did his best to expose the perversion of democratic processes on the internet. Listen, Dave came late to the party in realising how corrupt DKos is. But he made up for a lot of lost time. He single-handedly put the final touches on exposing how corrupt that domain is. His finding the UGOG files was simply pure brilliance. Nothing Dave did crossed any lines. He turned into a top-notch cybersleuth. That's what I have been for three years. We basically rummage through open source information and do the best we can to promote truth and awareness.

If you wish to be friends and/or take over the reins of this place, please post your email address. I promise not to publish it. I am even willing to talk with you and let you know that in no uncertain terms I truly am a regular guy who has tried my best.

I am tired of taking verbal abuse and being the victim of sophisticated cybersmears. My decision is to cut back on my blogging and keep it mostly in my own humble free speech cage known as All Aircraft Are Not Involved. I am very sorry you lost your brother. He was not only a genius but a beautiful peacenik. Yes, I said it. Dave was evolving into a historic leader. The attacks on his work have been outrageous. I beg the good readers to always consider the source and to ask yourself why Dave was attacked so viciously. There is a segment out there that do not want citizen journalism and activism to flourish.

The singling out of Dave for banishment of having political influence by Michael Fingerit and Michael Bouldin had its roots in their ilk not liking Dave's ability to put two and two together about the Daily Kos corruption. Personally, I think there is a good chance Michael Fingerit is somehow affiliated with Sean Hannity, and to be blunt, I believe he may be part of some modern form of cointelpro. At a minimum, I believe that Michael Fingerit as a political operative had all the characteristics of cointelpro. If he is associated to Sean Hannity of Long Island, then he is really only a degree separated to Hal Turner, who has been an informant for the FBI. Basically, sometimes where there is smoke, there is fire.

Anyway, I take solace in believing that it is the reader who decides. I believe that unless one is shallow, one will be able to figure out that what Dave did in the last year was heroic, just as heroic if not more so than when he did the street theatre, confronted Sean Hannity, blogged at DKos, worked with the kids, on and on.

Again, if you'd like to take over the reins here, let me know. I am a tired blogger. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I'm actually a good kid, around the same age as Dave. We are Generation X. We are true lefties. I for one will always remember the Dave I saw in the videos in the first post at this blog, where one could see the sparkle in his eyes, of his love for humanity and true justice for all people, as a true Democrat.

Thursday, April 16, 2009

Bring It On, MSOC!

I just cross-posted The Revenge of DonkeyTale: FSZ and Jack Are Cheating Pigs at MyLeftWing. We shall see if it is allowed to remain. I sense at a minimum, I will be banned. The following is the new stuff added.

This is a cross-post of an updated cross-post along with some added goodies, hence the v.3 part. Aaaah, where do we start? Well, I came into this MLW thing with an open-mind. It's always nice to find a place which doesn't ban and delete. But it has come to my attention that this place does indeed ban and delete. I have checked out the archives and see that KosKops used to dominate this place, such as with ThereIsNoSpoon and Armando. Last night, while scanning for info on the latter, the king of all KosKops, I noticed that an MLW thread was completely missing.

While a certain element follows me around the internet in order to portray me as a paranoid, conspiracy theorist who attempts to wrecks blogs, I have learned that no place is sacred as regards to playing fair. If someone knows of a place that doesn't scrub and prune, please let me know. For this reason, I don't put much effort anymore into posting here or at FSZ. It will always be in the back of my mind that shit will be manipulated. Say like with the thread where I exposed KarmaFish for having a strange fixation on Francis Holland and for doing to him what he claims Francis does to MAMZ. How is one to know that sequence will stay intact? One doesn't. And for this very reason, even more so than that the atmosphere may feel stale; readership and posting at such places tend to eventually dip into obscurity. Much more after the break.

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The key to effective cyber-sleuthing is to screenshot, save whole web pages, and to cross-post early and often. Another is to make sure one can avoid dial-up internet service.

About an hour ago, I stumbled across more proof that Jack's Smirking Revenge of FSZ is a bold faced liar. Ha, like we need any more proof. He left the following post at CometMan's website.

Dave liked Jack? Uhm, I guess it's a sign of friendship to out someone as being a coward with no principles and morals.

{link can be found in previous DFQ2 entry}

I was reading through Armando's big thread here where he was explaining why he wouldn't be able to participate in the comment sections. Anyone have any extra-strength tylenol? OMG! He reminds me of the JREF debunker cult types, those who just don't know how to go with the flow and have even an ounce of empathy or open-mindedness for others during conversations.

Anyway, I just wanted to add a couple more links and whatnot to this entry before posting and then saving. Hey, maybe this won't be deleted. But the record shows that nothing is safe at even this joint. And that's where the idea for adding the following extra links origates from. If I'm not banned from this place, I will be surprised. But I hope the ptb's here understand that I cannot respond to too much, for I refuse to invest time into anything which is susceptible to memory holes. Capiche?

Here the BloggingCurmudgeon explained to MLW that he was not so happy with the use of the scrub brush. Here at a different blog, someone came up with their own feedback for Mr. Curmudgeon, to paraphrase, welcome to reality. That's actually a pretty good thread to look at. Some of ThereIsNoSpoon's mysoginy which would have otherwise gone down a memory hole was posted.

Here are a few more links for the peanut gallery. Remember, you can right click links to open up a new window. Also keep in mind who no longer posts here. Peeder is never around anymore. Geez, this place used to be hippety-hoppity. If only MSOC would get rid of the reactionary admins and atmosphere and reinstate all who have been unfairly banned. Perhaps it is simply too late to save this blog. It would take amazing courage for MSOC to admit all her wrongs and to right all the mistakes. All indications are that she is unwilling to change. That is sad.

Two interesting links:
Kos' Ebay Auction as Fundraiser... WOW!

Anyhoo, the truth is out there. Such as the following posted by Francis Holland at his truth about Kos blog.

I still see no explanation from Kos or from any of his false fronts here for the suspicious timeline provided through his own words to the Commonwealth Club. As LetTheSunShine at DKos, I recently gave Zuniga yet another chance to clear the air. He instead did his hands over his ears I'm not listening routine.

Socrates, the way I was able to connect MAMZ to death squads indirectly is that the man listed in Salvadoran Government documents as the manager of the Moulitsas Zúñiga "family hotel" is also listed as a representative on the board of the National Association of Private Enterprise in El Salvador, which the CIA has called a right-wing "pressure group", and which was virulently attacking Monsignor Romero at the time of his assassination.

That's the connection I see. He's got an apparent family member as a representative to the board of a group the the US CIA connects with right wing death squads. What more does anyone need to know, and if I'm wrong then why doesn't MAMZ just explain to us what the truth of the matter is?


{Bonus Video Added to v.3- for all the earthy crunchy folks who get it!}

Bob Dylan - Subterranean Homesick Blues

Wednesday, April 15, 2009

The Revenge of DonkeyTale: FSZ and Jack Are Cheating Pigs

This is a cross-post from the FreeSpeechZoneBlog. The main reason I cross-post is because one never knows when stuff is gonna be deleted. Another reason for my posting this here is because I called DonkeyTale the historic troll in a previous entry. I truly believe that the people at FSZ are some form of paid fake. Cointelpro? Could be. At a minimum, political consultants/lawyers are all over the "progressive" blogs. They are the reason, not the far right, that the internet is a joke of a factor in making a dent into the status quo. I just can't figure out where to go next.

My All Aircraft Are Not Involved forum is slow as molasses and truly has become a blog in the form of a forum. Perhaps it will pick up again at some point. I'll never give up on it. As for deletions and stuff like that, I will never do it. I am not afraid to own my words. I am not ashamed of my blogging. When I'm at saloons like FSZ and MLW, I am not afraid to toss back a few brews. When I was at DailyKos, I bent over backward to be polite. But that didn't stop Michael Fingerit from making sure I got banned for no good reason.

I like to blog. I am not a troll or troublemaker. I have not been banned that much. The places I have been banned from did so for no good reason. Plus, those places are dives full of outright misinfo, disinfo, and unfair moderating. So what you see at FSZ and to a lesser extent at MLW, two places I have not been banned from, are hordes of thought police. I truly believe that Melvin, CometMan, Lauren S, DeeDogg, Denali, and many others could be the same person or working together. How does Melvin sound any different from Lauren S or CometMan? Anyway, the reader into this kind of stuff can decide for themselves. What we are witnessing, imho, is the utter breakup of any shred of credibility for the blogosphere as being democratic.

I am into saving time for newbies and fence-sitters. I know how tough it can be to figure out who is legit and who is insidious. One can keep taking every poster at face value until they are blue in the face of enigmas. The key is, one must reflect on nuggets when they come into contact with them. For me, I see someone like Greenwood stalking me at FSZ and MLW, and I do see close comparisons to the cybersmear fockers who have been on my arse for the last two years. If I am an insignificant conspiracy theorist, then why all the sophisticated attention?

I noticed that this Armando dude, who used to be a frontpager and lead trollhunter at DKos, was given full moderator abilities by MSOC back in the day at MyLeftWing. On the surface, MSOC appears to be a hottie lefty. But when one gets into the nuggets such as this, when they look at the two concern trolls named Curmudgette and KarmaFish who dominate her forum, when they truly understand what happened to Francis Holland, then enough already. MSOC is not a true lefty and is truly a waste of time. One of her close friends and posters is a producer for Fox News. Case closed on that self-admitted basket case. I just hope she is getting good bucks from the political operatives to account for her becoming a gatekeeping, rightwing progressive.

The Revenge of DonkeyTale: FSZ and Jack Are Cheating Pigs

It can now be confirmed without a doubt that this is the most rigged forum on the internet. Don't let the free speech zone in the title fool you. The fish rots from the head down. Jack's Smirking Revenge is clearly not who he claims to be. This place was rigged from the get-go. Proof supplied after the break.

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It's simple. This latest brouhaha over myself, Noom {random guy}, and DavidByron being banned was not performance art. It was a test run that utterly failed. Ultimately, what is left here are the dregs of the KosKops. This forum was started at the same time as the UGOGs. The plan was to have a fake meta-war between MajorFlaw and these others consisting primarily of Jack, Lauren S, CometMan, Melvin, DeeDogg, Kestrel9000, and many others including Denali and TheBlaz.

The reason DonkeyTale was anti-MAMZ meta wasn't because he didn't believe Daily Kos and the rest of the white-o-sphere are full of fake progressives. He thought it was fruitless what DFQ was up to. That is his right also.

I turned on DonkeyTale for a brief period of time after he called me Sock Rat. I then went on to post at DaveFromQueens2.blogspot that he was the historic troll. I am like that. When I get attacked, I attack back. Curmudgette and MSOC call me a douchebag, then good luck to them once they have come onto my cyber-sleuthing radar system. Revenge is sweet.

Myself and DonkeyTale were able to work through a lot of our suspicions of the other while at He explained that he was pro-Dave, even if he necessarily wasn't interested in what he was doing.

You see, DonkeyTale was one of the original anti-MAMZ people. I went to his posts at DKos. I can't find one post he made that was troll-rated. I have no clue why he was banned. Then I looked for proof that he had stalked Susan or anyone else. I found none. What I did find in his DKos posts was the same kind of good sense of humour, though he hadn't started with his kkk/wright spelling schtick.

I checked out in the wayback machine. I went to BooMan Tribune to see what he did wrong there. Basically, DonkeyTale is the original socrates, the one who keeps getting his ass unfairly kicked no matter where he ends up on the internet. For some reason or another, blogospheric ptb's do not want him succeeding on the net.

Anyway, this dude Brian NoWhere from the NoWhere blog asked at Booman's for anyone to show where DT's comments were that would explain why got banned. None were supplied.

Let's go back in time a bit.

Cowards In Action by DFQ 01/07/09

DonkeyTale got kudos from Dave for sticking up for the truth. Without doubt, Jack is a lying sack of shit. Read through that link and come back....

Jack has lied so often, that nothing he says can ever be trusted. He had that crazy lie about DT, Noom, and ShadowThief or someone all being the same person. He has consistently lied about MajorFlaw being a regular guy. The latest big lie he made was when he yet again took credit for the outing of the UGOGs, when anyone who has looked into this knows, that he has had nothing to do with anything but efforts to cover it up and protect the UGOG/KosKops. This whole friggen place is full of them. It's the same old, same old cynical ploy to increase web hits among the addicted to the soapblox family of hate blogs.

Anyway, DonkeyTale caught Jack in that lie and confronted him. Jack then proceeded to delete his lying post which then erased DT's and I think another one by Noom.

Jack made up some shit about how he doesn't have a cancel button. The thread was retitled to Thunderdome and Jack asked us to take this to his "Holy....F*cking....Shit" thread. More on that in a second.

Anyway, the Thunderdome thread has been completely deleted. Jack will say that the diarist did that not him. But remember this, how come at DKos when diaries are deleted, the comments remain? How come here they don't? Is it because Jack's Smirking Revenge is a lying f***ing douchebag piece of shit? Of course!

Here is what is left in yahoo cache of the thread in question. It was written by 'Diogenes Dalee', a suspected KosKop who made a post as recently as a few hours ago from while I am finishing this one up.

I was looking through the other thread that still exists. Jack has taken down an image he had up proving he doesn't have a cancel button. Now that was odd in itself, since Curmudgette, the #3 poster to ever sign up here, fancy that, says that admins have cancel buttons.

You see, Jack is all about plausible deniability. But he isn't that bright. Is MajorFlaw bright? What about Kestrel9000, DeeDogg, CometMan, Melvin, Lauren S, or most of the others from FSZ? NO F***ING WAY. THESE ARE COMPLETE F***ING IDIOTS WHO NEED TO CHEAT WHEN THEY GET THEIR TROLL ASSES EXPOSED!

I'll finish this diary off by leaving the last words to Brian Nowhere. This is taken from June 2006. I'm not suggesting to go down some Armando rabbit hole. I just feel that it's a good anecdote for all the bullshit that goes on in the "progressive" blogosphere. It shows how much cheating does in fact go on.

These people are the scum of the earth. They are fascist pigs. And of course I will need to save this page after writing it. The thing about this website is nothing is safe. Jack is a proven cheater. The whole thing or parts of it could be deleted with no notice. Unless someone stumbles across deletions like I did with the Thunderdome diary, these shitf***s continue to act like no one knows exactly their methods and their utter lack of morals and souls. Are people like Melvin and Lauren S the bottom of the barrel? Yes, they are the types who if they got sick and died, one would feel guilty over feeling pleasure for such a situation. These people are scumbags!!!!

Dear Armando,

You are embarrassing yourself. Not only yourself you are embarrassing history.

Every courageous human being who has ever stood up and expressed an opinion in the history of time, should all collectively get together and run you out of town.

The drama you are displaying over this non-incident is nothing short of embarrassing to every human being who has ever had the courage to speak out under their own identity.

A few cases in point:
The leader of the civil rights movement was not known simply as Martin.

The leader of the yippies was not known as just Abbie.

And aren't we all glad that The first & biggest name written on the Declaration of Independence is not JHcock1776?

The guy who stood up and said "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" did not have the luxury of using the pseudonym JFK1943

The intrepid journalist who had his career dashed against the rocks by Karl Rove didn't have the option to just open a new CBS account under the screenname ratherNotBKnown.

No Armando, you grabbed at the limelight like Star Jones grabbing a hotdog at a RedSox game. (Notice that Star Jones just got the brunt of an insult, she doesn't get to hide behind starchild65), and now that your identity has been revealed you want to take your ball and run home? Are you friggin serious?

So, Martin Luther King Jr., Abbie Hoffman, John Kerry, Mr. Hancock, Mr. Rather please join me in six part harmony in saying what needs to be said to this drama queen, this..Armando:
1--2--a-1 2 3 4 "Boo-Fucking-Hoo!"

If Armando got "outed", then it's Armando's fault for not being careful enough and Armando's fault alone. There is no one else to blame, not even WIKI or the National Review. Any old school hacker will tell you, "information wants to be free" If it ever finds daylight, free it will be.

If you have opinions in this world and wish to express them you have to be prepared to back them up with YOU. It's such a simple tenet I can't believe it's even being debated.

If expressing your views is too risky to your professional career then you have a choice. Quit your job or STFU.

Anonymity is not a right except for undercover cops and CIA Agents and the like. Lawyers, thankfully are not granted this protection.

If an intrepid reporter had discovered that Mark Felt was Deep Throat, they would have been well within their rights to report it, and report it they would have.
Obviously our Mr. Felt was simply much more clever than you Armando (and with much more at stake and many more people working to uncover it), but had he not been, he would have been named long ago and rightfully so. That's just the way it works. You know what they say about kitchens and their propensity for getting a bit warm..

In short, Armando. I have two suggestions/options for you if you don't want being the internet's biggest asshole to become synonymous with your real name.

1. Stop blogging.

2. Stop being an asshole.

Sincerely Brian Nowhere

{His emphases, bold prints, and italics not included.}

Brian actually seems to have included his real name, but I won't reprint it. If anyone seemed like a regular guy, it's him, not MajorFlaw and Moulitsas Zuniga.

If this guy could vouch for DonkeyTale, I have decided to do the same thing. To wrap this up, here are the comments from that thread. Some people have integrity. Then there are the people who dominate this shithole of a blog with no right to be called a free speech zone. F*** YOU KOSKOPS AND YOUR STUPID SCRIPTS. YOU GOT BUSTED AND NO ONE BELIEVES A WORD OUT OF YOU FAKE F***ING PROGRESSIVES. YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE NEOCONS, YOU ARE SUCH NASTY SHITS!!!!!!

2006-06-12 06:23:59
What happened over there?
Did somebody take their ball and go home? I see that all of suskind's diary on Armando are no longer there.

2006-06-12 11:51:29
Yeah I noticed that
Brian Nowhere's response to What happened over there? by XicanoPwr

I checked my comments this morning at boomans and saw that a shitload of my comments were gone, which really freaked me out for a second.

I went over to Dkos last night to see that suskind also crossposted his article there.

The funny thing was that the Dkos version had all pro-Armando comments w/ ALL OF THEM kissing his ass and wishing him well.

Suskind had his nose so far up Armando's ass that if he sneezed, snot would have come out of Armando's mouth.

The very same article posted at Booman had suskinds' logic getting torn to shreds and almost everyone disagreeing with him.
In the end he was cornered by common sense into basically conceding the point, which is why I guess he deleted his article.

The great purge of all things dissenting at Dkos must have been pretty damn complete because I swear there was not one single solitary comment in opposition to Armando's POV. It makes me want to puke seeing what's happening over at the big Orange.
Brian Nowhere
I'm too cool to have a tagline...

2006-06-13 13:16:43
Got some interesting info
XicanoPwr's response to Yeah I noticed that by Brian Nowhere

you have my email right? If not let me know.

2006-06-13 16:57:32
I'm not sure.
Brian Nowhere's response to Got some interesting info by XicanoPwr

I got something from a Curmudgette..haven't had a chance to look at the link yet.
Send it to
Brian Nowhere
I'm too cool to have a tagline...

2006-06-16 22:13:44
Thought I'd pop over
to say "hello". Seems appropriate to leave the comment in the Armando letter, all things considered.

There was a very stupid comment made later that night by the site owner, Green version. Added to the deletions at BMT and the censoring of commentary at MLW (according to a comment at BMT) it was a bit much for me.

It is a tired game they all have going.

BTW, loved the Fitzmas posting as well.


Take care!


2006-06-16 23:50:32
once ya pop ya just can't stop
Brian Nowhere's response to Thought I'd pop over by Marisacat

Games games games.

The thing that cracks me up is how illusory all this shit is. I've recently been more fascinated with the whole policical blogging phenomenon that I've been with the actual antics of Bush & Co.

I enjoy watching the conflict that exists at these sites between the proprietors and the contributors, with the former continually battling the latter for control.

I've wondered, do most people frequent these sites for the first-class writing of the staff, or do they come to vent, to get shit off of their chest?
I suspect that the dailyKos became the mega-site it is today not for Kos & company's fantastic insights, but because of the compelling nature of the tension played out in the commenting & recommended diaries. People really take that shit seriously.

Don't get me wrong. I do think that the daily kos and boomantribune are doing great things. I just can't believe that they can not come up with more creative ways of dealing with the "outsiders" who don't color between the lines than to just ban people.

The whole Armando thing was a hoot though. Talk about your glass houses and not thowing stones! I guess people who think their shit doesn't stink think that that the great cliches (glass houses, chickens coming home to roost, mess with a bull get the horns etc.) don't apply to them like the rest of us mortals.

All of this gives me a great idea for a blog, which would be a blog that serves as a watchdog over all the other blogs. All that would be discussed is what drama is unfolding at all the other blogs.

I'll have to add that to my Million Dollar Ideas feature, which is a regular feature that I'm working on. Although this particular idea is probably more of a hundreds of dollars idea than it is a million dollar one.

Anyway, I'm rambling on. thanks for stopping by. I hope you see it fit to stop by again.
Brian Nowhere

Tuesday, April 14, 2009

The Revenge of Abbeysbooks

{cross-posted from FSZ}

This is a cross-post from MyLeftWing. Basically AbbeysBooks warned a UGOG a few years back to disassociate himself from those operatives. MaryScott O'Connor made an appearance. She basically showed how clueless she is, that she is easily manipulated by those fake lefties sending her cash or otherwise kissing her mental illness booboos.

By the way, MSOC has deleted a diary in which she said she'd never accept money from political candidates. My theory on her is that she is making money off of her website. Whether she is a chump getting bird feed from the likes of pro-military whench Curmudgette or from prolific KosKop, KarmaFish and the few other irrelevant writers such as cleverguy82 and devilishadvocate, she has pretty much sealed her fate as being a Markos Alberto Moulitsas Zuniga guarddog. She banned Francis Holland. Scum like Mudge and fishstench are the worst of KosKops. They run someone's reputation into the ground, then they act all innocent saying they didn't want anyone banned.

More after the break. Get yourself a soda. This is gonna be a good one. {also, make sure to check out Francis' Truth About Kos website where yours truly shows once again how guerilla blogging is really done, unlike this fake shit pumped out by MattyJack and the other looooosers.}

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So MattyJack is acting out a fight with fellow operative Laurel S, who only Lord Byron believes is a female, and only because he has some serious issues with vaginas. [/digression]

It's this simple. I kicked KarmaFish's butt in debate. I troll busted his sorry 15,000 post ass in broad daylight. He admitted to going to MyLeftWingNut to "fight" with Francis Holland. Cue up what a fool believes by the Doobies.

And here we have MattyJack trying to rewrite history. He takes down the UGOG files, he puts them back up. He repeats the cycle. I, on the otherhand, never waver from outing cointelpro-like scum on the internet. MattyJack was talking trash about how many lurkers this place was getting. Uhm, it was because of me. I made a diary at DailyKos sticking up for Dave and Francis. There were a quick 200 of the cheesiest fake lefty responses one could imagine. In my defense, I always knew Daily Kos sucked. You chumps with your soap blox and Kos-centric dribble ought to be embarrassed.

Anyway, Francis' blog got a lot of new readers. I'm sure this place did too. But before MattyJack gets too excited, the truth is out there that he had zero to do with the outing of the UGOGs. The truth is out there that this guy is in all probability some kind of plant. Hey, when the #2 or three poster is Curmudgette her smelly self, you know this place is ultimately a joke.

Without further ado....

The Revenge of AbbeysBooks

Revenge is sweet. I hope MSOC doesn't mind a bit of "I told you so" from the lovely and talented Abbeysbooks.

Here's the link {below Dr. Evil} where Abbeysbooks explained in 2007 how she got run off of DailyKos for no good reason. Yeah, at this point we all know that the DailyKos sucks and is full of rightwing Democrats, middle of the road, selfish haters. But for those who ignore the UGOG files, you do so at your own peril. They prove how the internet is rigged. The two most arguably successful, rightwing, cash cows masquerading as progressives have been DKos and the Democratic Underground, and now we have the proof due to David Weintraub's trollbusting that they have been rigged! Sure that link is to an FSZ domain. Don't let that fool you. Dave got banned from FSZ after exposing the UGOGs, and this link was taken down by Jack for a chunk of time, when he claimed that FingerFlaw, Bottles/condoleaser, and Michael Bouldin are regular guys. Yeah, and Manny is just being Manny? Er, maybe a bad example. But you know what I friggen mean.

Abbeysbooks' Revenge

Sometimes, It Feels Good to Respond to Douchebaggery

All I could do was laugh and laugh as I imagined blue vertigo, majorflaw,dadanation, andgarden, truth of angels, DMiller and all the rest of that cabal who stalk you to troll rate and get you banned

dadanation is a great friend of mine. NOT at ALL one of the haters. Don't know where you got the opposite idea, but just to clarify -- SO not the case.

Abbeysbooks to Shriver:
It would be advisable for you to stay away from that group of trolls or you will sink with them. Many others are now on to them. And waiting.

Check out the UGOG files. Dadanation shows up in the first week or two.

FingerFlaw is the one who definitely needs to be investigated. He has acted precisely how one would expect a cointelpro agent to act like if they were dominating major forums. Fifth column.

Meet the real David Weintraub!

Hey, what's this, Markos Zuniga is a big fan of the CIA? Yikes!

June 2nd, 2006 Interview with the Commonwealth Club.

Applied in 2001
"six month process"
Daily Kos formed: May, 2002
Joined Howard Dean Campaign: June, 2003

Care to explain, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga????

Better to listen to Ozzie than the rightwing, mental midget from the Orange Satan.

tags: Eat Crow, UGOG, DailyCIAKos, Busted, Exposed, Fake Progressive Numbnuts

Abbeysbooks' Revenge Fleshed Out

I am trying to piece together her story. She may have made a few politically incorrect statements on rare occasions, but that is no excuse for how she was selected for banishment by Michael Fingerit. It is not outlandish to think that Fingerit {MajorFlaw} is the proverbial paid fake, perhaps even some form of modern day cointelpro. If he wants to sue me for libel, he can go right ahead. We'll see how the jurors feel about the UGOG files. It'd be one thing if he was an unemployed crack head living off of a trust fust. This guy is an attorney and political consultant. In fact, the Daily Kos is dominated by such folks.

It's getting late here. I have already posted The Revenge of Abbeysbooks at MyLeftWing and FSZ. That showed how Abbeysbooks had confronted Dadanation {Michael Shriver} as being a KosKop at MLW. It showed how Maryscott O'Connor told Abbeysbook to stifle herself. O'Connor is well known for a bunch of things. For one, she loves to share her psychological problems with the world in the form of rants. She's also known for putting limits on Kos bashing and for being the catalyst behind the formation of Peeder's PFF website after unfairly tossing the amazing Kos critic Francis Holland from her pseudo leftwing forum. MSOC owes apologies to both of them. She is busy kissing Obama's ass, so don't expect her to even try to figure out the UGOG/KosKops or how Kos' CIA timeline doesn't add up. Perhaps her frontpagers give her some greenery as incentive to turn the other way.

I am not a trusted user at DKos. I am unable to see the hidden comments. But I can see many of the troll ratings given to Abbeysbooks. She fingered Fingerit as the kingpin well before DFQ came on the scene. She even warned Shriver to steer clear of the KosKops, for people were onto their antics. She wasn't some run of the mill username. She'd been at DKos since 2005 and contributed over 7000 posts before becoming a target for the scumbag, fake lefties.

I live with them all around (2+ / 6-)
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and those of us who see do not revere or admire them them. They run the most disgusting puppy mills, and shoot the ones they cannot sell. Their children are poorly educated so they can control them and their daughters are basically sold in marriage to consolidate land holdings, the way rulers used to do. A lot of them are winos with big red bulbous noses.
They are often sexually perverted but I am not going to go into stories here.
They know how to present an image and when the community is threatened as in this school shooting they know how to manage the media.
They won't drive but they hire drivers to take them to construction sites. They don't have electricity but they use our laundromat. They don't cook with gas and electricity but they eat junk food at McDonald's and the local greasy spoon.
And of course some of them are wonderful.

Someone named CarolinaDreamer used this above one as an example to explain why Abbeysbooks needed to be banned. But she left out the part about that some of them are wonderful.

As I said I read too many books (2+ / 5-)
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Sounds just like some people here at dkos (4+ / 5-)
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Never forget that in the concentration camps (2+ / 4-)
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when a jew had given up and had the look of death on him he was called a moslem. It meant that he was to die soon. Now that's hatred....

I worked clinically with them for a number of (3+ / 4-)
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years and you are exceptional, that's all. Exceptions do not prove a point.
Oswald was also a dyslexic and read extremely difficult texts and wrote laboriously but I think brilliantly.
You have directional confusion, which is often mistaken for dyslexia. A true brain damaged dyslexic is rare. 5% of the population and 4 out of 5 are boys. There don't seem to be any in Japan according to the last piece of research I read on this subject.
Also Leonardo is a famous exception. And IMHO I think it is an evolution of the brain that gets messed up by our culture. Because dyslexics are certainly super aware of visual images and score higher on that subtest of the WISC or WAIS. Just lower on the verbal subtests. This is one way you diagnose them, this discrepancy of score.
But your heading this is bullshit and the mistakes in your writing either indicate that you don't know, don't care, or do not have the frustration tolerance to correct it.
And mine is a made up case. And yes the person in my made up case cannot tell right from left. But a dyslexic will give directions and never tell you they get it mixed up.
As for speed reading I developed Evelyn Wood's mini lesson and I can read very fast but also know when to change gears.

He is lazy is what kids who have trouble reading (3+ / 4-)
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are labeled. It's typical layman's judgment.

I also think Carter is a lousy writer (7+ / 3-)
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Which also means he is not a careful literate studious reader.

Only to counteract this blockquote (1+ / 3-)
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as strong, as humble, as psychologically or spiritually enlightened

which is really no different from what was said above by someone else. I just am in closer proximity to them than others posting here as they drive by my front door in their carriages every day. Five groups a day is not unusual. They wash their clothes where I do, eat where I do, buy groceries where I do and go to the same social worker's office as I do to get aid. They are my neighbors.
And everyone in my neon red town talks about the discrepancy of the way they live and advocate and their use of modern conveniences when it suits them, which is most of the time. They just don't own them. They will ride in a car and pay people to drive them, as they can't own or drive a car themselves and jobs in Springfield are 35 miles away.
And all of us dog rescue people loathe their treatment of dogs, their puppy mills, their caging the breeders in small cages, and their shooting of the ones they can't sell. And buying poor old pregnant bitches cheap at auction to sell the puppies. These auctions are desperately sad and the bidders are almost all Mennonites and Amish. My director was kicked out of the one at Cabool because she saved (bought) about $8000 worth of pregnant dogs to worm, vaccinate, and neuter and get adopted to keep them out of the puppy mills.
And for this I get troll rated into hidden comments so any criticism of these people described in the diary as
strong, as humble, as psychologically or spiritually enlightened

is eliminated from the thread.
The Soviets used to airbrush out of group pictures those who fell in disfavor with Stalin's party line who were eliminated into death or a labor camp. Here at kos your words are eliminated. Gone just like smoke into the atmosphere.
Sorry I didn't keep the other one but I will keep this one and the thread. Since when is telling the truth about some people in a religious sect bigoted? And they are known locally for their love of homemade wine. So they drink. So what. So they get drunk. So what. They are just like everyone else.

NO he is dyslexic and it is made worse (3+ / 3-)
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by his drinking and the brain damage that comes with 20 years or more of alcohol abuse.
Dyslexics can be everything wonderful that you say and they can also be slow learners and poor readers. They can be taught to read and even enjoy the newspaper. I worked with a 22 year old farmer from rural Delaware once who just wanted to be able to read the newspaper and he came to our clinic for about 2 years. Clinical experience and success will trump the book reading about this any day.
Others were marginal. Most are not dyslexic but mask the syndrome because they were taught to read before they were ready to read. Which means their visual discrimination was poor and their auditory discrimination necessary for word attack skillls was not developed. Start them right and you prevent the problem before it happens.
see elephant see _ which two words are the same
were where where - which word is different
was saw saw - which two are the same
want went want - which word is different
The above goes from easy to difficult. If they can't see the difference in went and want quickly without effort, then they are not ready.
Say see seen seen - which words sound exactly the same or which word sounds different. And so on and so one.
You make them up and improvise but if you have got to submit lesson plans 30 days in advance you are probably going to forget to put these little ditties in as they aren't in the reading book.
I knew a first grade teacher who when she passed out paper said how many do I need for this row? Or she would count out three and ask, how many more do I need for this row. And so on.

"Sgt Major Myers" is a dipshit freeper who deserved what Abbeysbooks said to him in the next one.

Sgt Major Myers (1+ / 2-)
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Your post is written like a true brainwashed military person. We need far fewer of your type in this country.
They all seem to come to Missouri to retire as the living is cheap here. Still planting the flag in their front lawn and yellow ribbon bumper stickers on their pickups.
These kids have been had from the getgo. Lousy public schools and indoctrination everyday of their lives. They have been alseep all these years,and now in Iraq,they have been jolted awake.
Paul Goodman has said it all in Growing Up Absurd
And he is not our president. He stole both elections. He is our dictator,our despot.

A big reason why I'm not supplying DKos links is because I don't want to direct traffic to that bullshit, fascist website. Let them and their addicts stew in their irrelevant blatherings. The main thing is that Abbeysbooks confronted these assholes and two years later has finally been proven correct. One dude who stood up for at the end was Jon Meltzer. One of his last posts, I don't believe he was banned, had him confronting Fingerit. You see, it is fairly obvious to anyone with the time and mouse skills to see how shady FKos has been and who the culprits were. This is what Jon said to Fingerit many months after Abbeysbooks had been unfairly banned.

TRed again for bullying (1+ / 0-)

The only time I ever see you make a comment, MajorFlaw, is to hand out one of your precious "d0nuts". You never post diaries and you do not participate in the discussions on this site. If this person is worthy of banning he will be by the administrators or in response to genuine trollish comments. Not by being hunted down by self-appointed net police.

Back to Abbeysbooks getting troll rated. Here she got 2 downrates for writing one word. These usernames don't look familiar to me. And the dittoed comment is gone.

Ditto (1+ / 2-)
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Happened to me too after a year of being TU (4+ / 2-)
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So now I can't see the comments of mine that I made and that they hid.
Just the ones they provide links to that are quite damning in isolation.
In the context of the Palestinians I have called the Jews fascist and that one lonely comment really sends people over the edge.

Calling someone a bitch, whore, cocksucker etc (1+ / 2-)
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so and so because you disagree with them is cause for TR ing them. Comparing them to Rove swiftboating or advocating a nanny state of protection from information is not.
People did the same thing to someone who wrote a diary about alternative cancer cures other than the classic medical model.
And the classical medical model is not more successful at all.

Fingerit responded:

Um . . . (9+ / 0-)
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People did the same thing to someone who wrote a diary about alternative cancer cures other than the classic medical model.
And the classical medical model is not more successful at all.

Now you're a medical expert as well? Have another d0nut.
by MajorFlaw on Tue Aug 21, 2007 at 03:01:33 AM PDT

Here's an interesting sequence:

He's definitely being coached (4+ / 2-)
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by abbeysbooks on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 07:54:42 PM PDT

Folks... (1+ / 0-)
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...why is this trollrated?
by MBNYC on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:26:20 PM PDT

I don't get it. (1+ / 0-)
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Uprated for uncalled for troll rating.
by Radiowalla on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:32:40 PM PDT

Andgarden is part of a group (0+ / 0-)
that stalks and trolls me. They uprate each other for their attacks and that way they never lose TU status. I have BTW and they hide all my comments that they don't like. It would take an army of recs to get them out of hidden territroy.
I am not the only one they do this to. I have lots of threads on my hard drive. I think you and MBNYC are the first to have noticed this and commented on it. Quite a number of my favorite posters are now gone from here. I don't know if they have been attacked or just do not like this new atmosphere here.
by abbeysbooks

And now the accusations of stalking again (3+ / 0-)
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Why do you think I noticed you in the first place?
by andgarden on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:45:15 PM PDT

Some of my comments out of context (1+ / 0-)
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are indeed damning. If you read them I suggest you read the diary and entire thread of comments but that is a lot to ask anyone when one comment will suffice to hang me.
But isn't that what the mass media does that we so criticize it for doing?
Lots of hypocrites here.
by abbeysbooks on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:43:56 PM PDT

The context makes your comments (4+ / 0-)
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even worse.
by andgarden on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:45:30 PM PDT

And the worst part is that (0+ / 0-)
if you do read them in context you will have to click on all the hidden ones too. a daunting task. Only someone researching these people would want to do it. I have and it's a veritable nest of snarls.
by abbeysbooks on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:45:26 PM PDT

I have now given you this (6+ / 0-)
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comment multiple times with no response from you. I have given you these facts and you continue to ignore them and say that it is some small group. It isn't. You may want to check your behavior to see if it is perhaps influencing people's reaction to you.
By the way, the 91 is now about 96 unique UIDs (I haven't checked since you were at 94 the last time I posted this to you).
You keep claiming this but, having done the research and linked to it so people can check, you are not correct.
by SeattleLiberal on Tue Oct 16, 2007 at 08:57:21 PM PDT

The link provided by Seattle Liberal led to this:

I've got details for you (15+ / 0-)
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and it doesn't bode well for your little theory. I decided since you made the claim that you are being hounded by a few individuals, you must know what you are talking about. But I decided to give you the information you needed to verify it.
I went through all of the comments you have ever had troll rated. You have had, since the time you started posting here, 77 comments have had at least one troll rating. There have been 91 unique UIDs that gave them to you. Many of those individuals are well known to HATE the ratings system, but you managed to cross even their lines. Many I never heard of before.
I get tired of the arguments you are making here because they are patently bullshit. There have been a few users that rated you more than others, but you call them out and have a personal vendetta against them, so I am not surprised by that. The distribution of your ratings has been fairly evenly spread out among those 91 individuals.
91 separate individuals in 77 comments. Your "only 10 mean people hypothesis" is wrong, wrong, wrong.
I have never given you a rating, by the way, but you certainly have managed to piss off a lot of people.
These are the facts and anyone with TU can verify them.
by SeattleLiberal on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 03:05:53 PM PDT

I didn't call you any names. (2+ / 0-)
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Someone who claims to read all the time should really learn to read.
by clonecone on Sun Oct 07, 2007 at 04:51:35 PM PDT

Ok, this next one probably deserved the troll rating. The point of the Reveng of AbbbeysBooks is that she has shown how once one becomes a target of the KosKops, extraordinary efforts including "troll rating on sight" and inside connections with upper level Kos adminins will always lead to the victim's removal from the forum. In short, the Daily Kos is a fascist entity. Abbeysbooks never deserved to be banned. Tens of thousands of people have been unfairly banned by DKos.And that's why I think it is some form of intel, for such a strategy has caused the website's popularity to utterly crash. So what is the rationale behind the Daily Kos, if they aren't into being one of the top websites? Disinformation? Divide and conquer? To be a honey pot?

Barbara why didn't you toilet train (2+ / 2-)
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your little bastard? Or better yet, have an abortion.

Or perhaps it was just dark humour against Barbara and GW Bush.

From an abbeysbooks' tip jar on one of her do it yourself legal diaries:

tipjar (23+ / 2-)
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And go over to the upper right and hit recommend so people can save their property, their lifestyles, their friends, their family.
I think Kunstler would love it too.

I think Adam B is DKos' attorney, not sure. I think Abbeysbooks was targeted for expulsion because she offered the idea that people didn't necessarily need attorneys to work through the system. It'd be akin to myself being on a military forum calling for an 80% reduction in their services.

More Abbeysbooks' comments where she was troll rated:

I've walked thousands of steps in her shoes (3+ / 2-)
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which is why I can say what I have said.
Any normal IQ person living in Bushland would have pulled the plug. The kids set her up knowing that she would freak, try to close the windows and not be able to do it. They must have laughed their butts off.
Any one who has the audacity these days to go in a classroom had better be savvy and cool. Not ernest and sincere and intelligent.
You can bet the farm she voted for Bush.
Now tell her how to cash in. Make the school district eat shit and pay for the privilege.

I'm not sure, but I think Sharon in MD is a real estate attorney. DadaNation, of course, is the KosKop who Abbeysbooks confronted at MyLeftWing only to have the mentally unbalanced Maryscott O'Connor tell her to shut up.

I agree absolutely with you. (2+ / 1-)
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I feel that Clinton was very attracted to Chelsea. She has the kind of mouth he is attracted to if you look at all his women. It is very natural for every father to appreciate and be attracted by his teenaged daughtr, or maybe even son. It is just not all right to act on it. I believe he substituted Monica for his desire for Chelsea which was unconscious to Clinton. I think Bush is not attracted to his daughters and so they have acted out in undesirable ways to get his attention.
The problem comes when fathers cannot acknowledge the sexual attraction. They repress it and this is when you get daughters being beaten for having boyfriends, staying our past curfew,etc. The beating is sexual sadistic perversion for a natural open sexual feeling for the child.
This needs to be communicated to parents.

I see BlackMax likes to give out a lot of ratings. His background is available through his profile. He admits to being pro-military and other bullshit.

Hmmm. It turns out he used to be a staunch Republican. It also turns out that Markos Moulitsas Zuniga is a big supporter of the CIA. Will wonders ever cease?

That's the kind of syncophant the UGOGs liked to turn into useful idiots.

Sorry I really like her (1+ / 1-)
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Let me guess. Mia Dolan is a paid, fake username.

There was a huge snow storm for crissakes (12+ / 1-)
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A low tunout was expected because of the extreme snow drifts,so this looks pretty good to me.

Let me guess. Wystler is another sock puppet. Dana Houle even liked Abbeysbooks' post. Never trust anyone with 666 in their username or email address. :) Wystler can be reached at bb666 !at! comcast dot net. Hmmm, he's still around giving ratings, yet he hasn't written a new diary since September of 2007.

You can email me and I'll give you a list (3+ / 1-)
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The way to find out is to look at the recs when you are attacked. Each time somebody attacks you, troll rates you etc they rec that person and then they have them aboard the train.
There are a group of them and I expect this comment to go into hidden territory as they constantly search to see where I am commenting. They will come when this diary is off the front page and no one is here and then they will load up on comments damning me for saying this until it is hidden.
So I keep a record on my harddrive of before and afters.
The Soviets air brushed group photos when Stalin eliminated someone or sent them to the camps. Just disappeared them. Same here at dkos.
And the diaries the leaders have posted are either non-existent or shallow with cute pictures.
Check back later and see who has dumped on me here and you will know who they are.

Blue Vertigo is a known troll. Abbeysbooks believes she and Lauren S could be the same person based on similar linguistics.

Had she taken the legal seminar (3+ / 1-)
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by Gene Zimmerman that I recently finished, she would never have been in this mess and she could have brought a personal injury suit for the loss of her baby, making millions as it was an expensive pregnancy as I understand it.
Zimmerman will come to you to give it to a minimum of 10 people for $500 for two weeks of 10 hour days and all the backup help you need in the future. Anyone interested in knowing how to protect their rights can email me for his address. I receive nothing for this. I am only a grateful graduate of his seminar.
Now just wait for all the lawyers here to start trashing me again about it.
No the cops won't go on trial, but they could still have huge financial responsibility probably through the city, after this part is over.


Lived all my life in So. Cal. Viet Nam era vet. Currently in practice as a labor arbitrator.

There are getting to be a lot of people (11+ / 1-)
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calling others trolls. I see nothing trollish about this diary except the people bashing it in the way they are bashing it. There are starting to be groups of them that do this together.
I am remembering what kos said about this. He has warned us about it. He will not warn the next time; he will act.
I have just gone through a bout of it for my legal seminar diaries this past week. Switching tags and pjorative tags. It is exhausting. It makes you want to go somewhere else where it isn't happening or where it is forcefully forbidden.
I have used more troll ratings this past month than in the past three years. I don't think this is accidental. I didn't expect it to happen in this diary. I thought it was just me since I have a history of being a target for aggression.

The vigilantes are out in full force I see (10+ / 1-)
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Just because the massacre involved Americans does not change anything. They are dead. Just as Iraqis are dead. Just as Cindy's son is dead. This boy Cho was growig up in a time of government sanctioned violence. Our government is setting an example that young emotional people are likely to follow. Cho will not be the last. And there will be worse to come. When you mourn them you are really mourning the loss of innocence in this country.
The feeling of safety and peace, tranquility, purpose that one gts walking through a college campus is a lovely thing. I am sure large city universities now have lots of security in place. I will miss being able to walk into a campus, go to a film club showing, enter the library without showing ID and justifying why I am there. I don't expect that freedom to continue for me.

Strange. Mia Dolan is still at DKos yet hasn't made a new diary since March of 2006. She's a fake.

Actually you have touched on one of the variables (5+ / 1-)
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of this massacre. We are now living in a milieu where the media talks about dead Iraqis without a blink of sympathy. It is part of the Zeitgeist now and we are breathing it. How much worse for a young student, Asian, whose parents work in a dry cleaning establishment and have sent a daughter to Princeton and a son to VT. Not too shabby.
To a young person with emotional problems the present day carnage we are causing in the middle east does not set an example we would want our young people to emulate. Now does it?
If they want to get at the bottom of these killings, let them really examine the true issues. They won't.
Why is it permitted for Bush to kill 650K Iraqis, many women and children, and an entire country not string him up lynching style. Because it is governenment doing it, it is accepted. If we do not object we condone it.
This is Edwards strength, his lawyer training. If you don't object, you accept. Very simple. You must object.
This boy was projecting his rage in the way he sees the superiors in goverment projecting theirs. Only they do not do it themselves (except Cheney)they force others to do it. The behavior of our troops in many cases is the same as Cho's behavior. Only theirs is sanctioned, it is official, so there is no punishment. Except when an example must be made to appease those who object.

Here's another sequence where an abbeysbooks' post led to her getting swarmed by the 'political consultants/lawyers'.

In Germany as Hitler was coming to power (3+ / 1-)
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there were really hideous crimes. People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.
This is so rotten that it predicts our future.
by abbeysbooks

Um, Ben . . . (7+ / 0-)
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You might want to be a bit more careful about just who you hand mojo to.
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 07:03:34 PM PDT

And dig this (1+ / 0-)
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{Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket}
What, Trashablanca's special or somethin? I want one of those!
by blue vertigo on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 09:59:25 PM PDT

People uprated that? (0+ / 0-)
Geez. If that one hasn't been hidden yet I'm willing to recycle a d0nut for it. Got the link?
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:08:54 PM PDT

Oops. (0+ / 0-)
That's what happens when you come in through hidden comments. No link necessary. When I find a d0nut I'm gonna drop it on this one.
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:12:28 PM PDT

TREd for this preposterous claim: (1+ / 0-)
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People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.
Got a link for that one?
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:28:32 PM PDT

Yes I do (0+ / 0-)
From Christopher Isherwood's Berlin Stories. I have sold the book and do not have the page number as I have no more editions of his book.
by abbeysbooks on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:39:13 PM PDT

Um . . . (1+ / 0-)
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abbey, you do understand that Isherwood was writing fiction, don't you? I'm sure he got many of his ideas from his life experiences but you can't use a fictional event in one of his stories to prove that the event actually happened. This is kinda important as it was a Ronnie Raygun specialty.
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:43:24 PM PDT

Isherwood wrote both fiction and non-fiction (0+ / 0-)
and Berlin Stories has both in it. He tells of the hidden strength of the labor movement that did not realize their own power at the time and so the brown shirt SS vigilantes won. Hmmmmmmmm.
Also in Berlin Stories is his return after the war when Berlin was all rubble. He visits his old landlady and she is glad to see him. But everything he loved is gone: the cafes, everything.
by abbeysbooks on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:50:09 PM PDT

abbey . . . (0+ / 0-)
I've read quite a bit about Weimar and Nazi Germany and I've never seen the claim that people were murdered in their homes, canned and sold for meat. If you want to make such a claim I suggest that you find a legitimate link for it. Isherwood was telling a story, perhaps using a metaphor and you tend to believe things too easily.
by MajorFlaw on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 10:54:44 PM PDT

You are confused (0+ / 0-)
I did not say people were murdered in their homes. What I said was:
there were really hideous crimes. People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.
To be more detailed a particular serial killer lured mostly young girls in his apartment, murdered them, canned them and sold them as meat. The people were starving at that time, no one had money or food, and inflation was outrageous.
When Isherwood writes of visiting his old landlady and telling what was left of the block after the war, that is not fiction. His retelling of newspaper articles was not fiction. Berlin Storiesis a mixture. Just because he uses the name stories in the title does not mean all of it is fiction. That would be rather a fundamentalist literary interpretation, don't you think?
by abbeysbooks on Sun Sep 30, 2007 at 11:11:09 PM PDT

abbey . . . (1+ / 0-)
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we are not talking about his landlady here we are talking about whether your comment:
People murdering people in their apartments and then canning them and selling the meat.

Is based on fact. For one thing you provide no link to demonstrate that this happened even once. Then you magnify that error by exaggerating it, turning one presumably nutso serial killer into "people". The "meat processing and sale" claim is the part I really would like you to document. This could be a teachable moment.
posted by political operative and internet fake, Michael Fingerit

There was a screenshot in one of the above comments showing how Trashablanca had been the lone person of four troll rating Abbeysbooks. Abbey has explained how these people would even speak out loud about their KosKop maneuvers. It's true. They did it to me, wondering aloud when the admin wiould be hammer banning me. This is the photobucket address for the screenshot.

That's odd. Kim. The UGOGs have said that Lauren S is Kimberley Stone. Abbeysbooks believes that Blue Vertigo is Lauren S based on writing patterns. Wow! Blue Vertigo's first name appears to be Kimberly.

More of Abbeysbooks' posts that got troll rated. keep in mind that the good stuff is hidden from the masses and can only be seen by 'trusted users'.

Stop name calling. At least here. (2+ / 1-)
Recommended by: jeremybloom, labradog
Hidden by: andgarden

{oops- deleted the post title by accident}
Recommended by: frandor55
Hidden by: JuniperLea
It's also going on with our military in Iraq on both sides of the fence. And I get this from a film In Their Own Words.
They admitted to multiple and continuous atrocities.

aah, here we can see that Denali, another KosKop, was in the mix. I now see him as also being a concern troll. He used to show Dave some support at DFQ's. He troll-rated Abbeysbooks. But one needs to look through the whole subthread to get the context.

Abbey even gave him a good rating for the following. Abbeysbooks is an intellectual. They are not wanted at DKos or anywhere on the internet.

You're an armchair historian (3+ / 0-)
Recommended by: abbeysbooks, hdaman, viscerality
I come from more or less a military family. I say more or less because a few had military careers, but most have served one time or another.
Until you have had bullets fly past you intended to snuff out your life like some useless dog in the middle of a field or have seen life snuffed out in the same manner... you can talk as wise and strong as you want about those men, but you will never understand them.
Please come out of the novels and join us in the real world.
Blaming the troops is so 60's.

Here are more Abbeysbooks' posts that got unfair troll rates:

Anybody know any insurgents? (11+ / 1-)
Recommended by: ctami, Sandy on Signal, 2lucky, bostonjay, superba, maybeeso in michigan, ichibon, Nadnerb in NC, trashablanca, SpiderStumbled22, jetskreemr, james risser
Hidden by: Politburo

Politburo appears to be another fake name or tool. His last diary was in December of 2005, yet he's still going strong to this day at DKos.

Me too as the brownshirts are here (3+ / 1-)
Recommended by: northsylvania, BradMajors, Salo
Hidden by: blue vertigo
They take comments out of context that are damning all alone and get others to go along with them.
I can't get at my hidden comments but they've got them over 94 now and can't understand why auto banning isn't kicking in.
You will go back later and everythig you wrote is hidden and the thread looks smooth sailing.

Here's the last troll-rated one that is visible.

There are enough thugs here at dkos (3+ / 1-)
Recommended by: PsychoSavannah, Rich in PA, Jon Bird
Hidden by: DelRPCV
so maybe we should clean our own house first.

Somebody here must have really PO'd you... (0+ / 0-)
...for you just keep repeating that line about the DKos "thugs". What are you referring to?
by Larry Bailey on Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 03:53:37 AM PDT

The first comment in this thread? (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by: exMnLiberal
The various other comments that refer to violence? The name-calling?
There is a lot of it here. The ONLY difference is "our" guys are on the proper side of the issues. But, conservatives really believe they are too. So, is the method proper if you think you're right? The answer is no.
by PsychoSavannah on Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 05:23:18 AM PDT